Emily Maitlis

And I think it's a really big question.

How do you fight disinformation when it comes with that much wealth behind it?

The Island of Strangers speech was one that he regretted, I think, almost instantly.

And I think Starmer has been trying to find his level, as most mainstream politicians have, frankly, between...

understanding people's genuine concerns about the level of migration, particularly the level of illegal migration, what that might be doing to public services, and also trying to show leadership on an issue where there is so much disinformation circulating.

So, I mean, frankly, the fact that

This man, the perpetrator in Belfast, who has now been arrested and charged, came from Sudan.

Whether we like it or not will now open up a debate, I imagine, about how the UK responds to asylum seekers because the number of people from Sudan, from that dreadful civil war, the asylum policy has adapted to accommodate those people.

Now...

The Reform Party, the chairman, Zia Youssef, has made very clear that reform would say no visas to Sudan.

And it's not so long ago that we were hearing Trump's Muslim ban in 2017 when he said there are five countries.

I'm not going to give anyone visas if you come from there.

We found that shocking a decade ago.

The world was like, what are you doing?

You can't just ban entire people, entire countries.

And he said, watch me.

Yes, I can.

And I guess reform is going down that route.

And, you know, are we going to say that asylum seekers who come from war torn countries are not welcome here?

You know, whether it's Syria, whether it's Sudan.