Emily Simpson

It's just very difficult to look at that and look at him and think what he did in that room.

And it goes back to what we always talk about, about nature versus nurture.

Was he always a killer?

Was he born that way?

No.

He was or he was what what circumstances made him snap like that and and strangle her for three to five minutes.

I mean, for you to be able to put someone in a chokehold for, think about how long three to five minutes is.

I mean, if we sat here for three to five minutes, I mean, it would feel like an eternity.

That is a long time.

That's a long time for you to think, I probably shouldn't do this.

And he just kept.

And he couldn't think about anything else.

He let it go.

We're going to talk about Mackenzie Sherilla again.

We already did an episode on her.

So if you guys haven't listened to it yet, you could go back and listen to it.

It's called The Crash.

It's on Netflix.

We wanted to do an update or talk about her more because after The Crash came out and we recorded an episode, I feel like even more information than was in... Well, I think the popularity does it, right?

And so now there's even more information, more content creators out there talking about it, more people who know McKinsey, her cellmates, there's jailhouse recordings, so much information out there that we need to talk about McKinsey a little bit more.