Emily

Well, yeah, this is a really interesting, like, just the quandary that the left has found itself in over MTG is, I think, really useful in the way that it blends the personal and the political.

And that's kind of what you're getting at is, like, there's so many people who have personal skepticism of AOC's character.

as opposed to her utility as a leftist in Congress.

And that's where you saw them kind of comparing AOC's votes on Israel, some people comparing AOC's votes on Israel to MTG's, and the way that MTG actually, as soon as she changed her mind, went out and started voting on this stuff.

And I actually think

There are a lot of people on the right who changed their minds about this.

It's quickly in the scope of kind of the history of the conservative movement and positions on Israel, but it happened over the course of a couple years, and it was a buildup.

You know, for me, it started before October 7th, and you guys gave me a lot of grace on that.

We've talked about it extensively, but for a lot of people, it started in the last couple years of that war, and it was because people on the right became really skeptical, obviously, even more skeptical had they—

as they had already been, of what was coming out of the media.

And when people started to see the rug get pulled out from under them with these narratives, people started questioning everything, basically.

And so I think she's had a pretty normal,

transition from point A to point B, that a lot of conservatives, especially conservatives who are like kind of America first, people who were motivated by MAGA to get involved in politics exactly like her, to start paying attention to politics.

I think it's pretty normal and consistent with what a lot of people experience.

And I do think

She she put herself on the line and like has been fairly brave in pushing back against some of this stuff.

But just as she was brave, you know, to be as pro Trump as she was in Washington, even when I disagreed with her and many people disagreed with her, it was uncommon to be like that, you know, pro just as like the sort of like rally going MAGA voter vote.

It takes some bravery to do that in Congress because even the ones who act like it for the cameras don't do that behind the scenes.

They don't believe any of it behind the scenes, many of them.

So I have some respect for her.