Emma Grede

That's how I am.

But I have them for everyone around me.

And I think as a leader, your job is to lead by example.

I'm also out the door at 5 p.m.

every single day because I am a mum at four.

But that creates the conditions for everyone else to leave at five.

Well, here's the thing.

I think that we have to be free to speak about money.

And that is really important.

It's like you can do deeply impactful and important work and care about money too.

You can care about money and care about a lot of other things.

So all I'm saying is like, if you think that earning money and actually being paid what you deserve is important for you, then you have to put money at the center of your plans.

You can't hide behind soft ambition or like performative purpose.

Five-ish.

Yeah.

And we had three kids together.

No doubt.

I mean, I'm 100% sure that that is the case.

But I also think that what is really important, specifically when we talk about women, is that if we are going to talk about, you know, pay, like gender equality as it relates to pay, if we're going to talk about closing the racial wealth gap,

We have to articulate our needs around money.