Emma Green

But...

I also think there's this other impulse, which is to say, okay, we're in charge.

We think higher ed is a problem.

We think the culture of higher ed is a bigger problem for the American populace and American culture than just the campuses.

We're going to try to change this.

I think some of it is an earnest concern for what are clearly some instances of Jewish students facing harassment on their campuses.

Jewish students being blocked from accessing their classrooms or libraries.

Jewish students not being able to cross through a certain part of the campus because it's a Jewish exclusion zone.

These things, I think...

are issues of real concern.

And I think there are people in the administration who see those as illegal.

Yes.

And they want campuses to change it.

Okay.

I think that's one piece.

I think clearly there is also this impossible-to-define

between what is anti-Semitism and what is anti-Zionism or anti-Israel sentiment or whatever, they see a really strong and expansive definition of anti-Semitism, which is to say if you are critiquing or deconstructing the colonial nature of Israel or whatever it is... That by nature is anti-Semitic.

That by nature is anti-Semitic.

Okay, so a lot of people disagree with that, right?

A lot of people agree with that and a lot of people disagree with that.