Emma

pretty much every high street in America. So it's a different level of, you know, it's just a different level of scrutiny at that point.

pretty much every high street in America. So it's a different level of, you know, it's just a different level of scrutiny at that point.

Something like that.

Something like that.

A hundred percent.

A hundred percent.

Yeah, I think that a lot of people will be able to. feel that quite deeply. Because I think for so many people, they put on a facade when they go to work. And for you, it was almost just like, it's just a layer of protection. Like, how do I protect myself? And I think so many women, especially at that time, right, would

Yeah, I think that a lot of people will be able to. feel that quite deeply. Because I think for so many people, they put on a facade when they go to work. And for you, it was almost just like, it's just a layer of protection. Like, how do I protect myself? And I think so many women, especially at that time, right, would

kill to be a Victoria's Secret model but you walked away from that and so I wonder like what the decision was to just decide like that's the end of that part of my career yeah I think I was maybe 23 it's all such a blur but I

kill to be a Victoria's Secret model but you walked away from that and so I wonder like what the decision was to just decide like that's the end of that part of my career yeah I think I was maybe 23 it's all such a blur but I

How do I feel? I really think so. And the idea that you would, I mean, first of all, to leave the Victoria's Secret runway to then go and study what feminist theory at NYU.

How do I feel? I really think so. And the idea that you would, I mean, first of all, to leave the Victoria's Secret runway to then go and study what feminist theory at NYU.

And I'm glad I did it. Was there a moment that you can trace it back to when you're like, this is the moment that you decide I need to do something else?

And I'm glad I did it. Was there a moment that you can trace it back to when you're like, this is the moment that you decide I need to do something else?

I was baking cookies. You weren't taking shots at the end of the shoot.

I was baking cookies. You weren't taking shots at the end of the shoot.

all the cookies.

all the cookies.

so much power in everything that you were putting out into the world. And it seems like there's this moment that you all of a sudden say, okay, like I get it. I understand my power and I'm going to do something else and I'm going to leverage it in a different way.

so much power in everything that you were putting out into the world. And it seems like there's this moment that you all of a sudden say, okay, like I get it. I understand my power and I'm going to do something else and I'm going to leverage it in a different way.