Emmanuel Jochi

That you don't even necessarily notice them.

Probably in your everyday life, you're going about it and you're like, I'm doing what I've always done, doing the stuff that has gotten me to this place.

But you are probably on some level changing yourself in these small ways that maybe don't hurt you in the moment, but harm you as time goes on.

And it becomes sort of like a stress fracture where you're just like, oh, I can't keep doing this.

I can't.

Yeah.

Right.

And it's one of those things for him, too, where probably the more he leaned into, like, the Richard Pryor Act, the stuff that at first had seemed maybe too risky to do in front of white people.

Like, if you lean back into the thing that brought you peace or brought you a sense of fulfillment...

what worked in the late 60s to sort of like get rid of your white fans and to connect with black people.

By the time of the 80s and the 70s is something that white people are eager to laugh and they want to be in on the joke.

Right, right.

A hundred percent.

There's no way you could possibly be who you are.

Man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know Harlem Nights.

That is a wild film.

I love it.

Oh, like Eddie was frustrated by it.

He's like, oh, I want you to be the Richard Pryor I grew up with.