Eoin Whelan

It's figuring out what the problem is.

If it's employees using their phones during meetings and scrolling TikTok or something, well, you know, that's the problem and that policy can be brought in to tackle that in particular.

If it's employees, what's called phubbing, when you're supposed to be talking to someone face to face and instead you're looking at your phone, well, you know, tackle that problem.

So the idea of bringing in a blanket ban, yeah, I don't think that's the answer.

Figure out what the problem is and tackle that.

Absolutely.

And I think earlier, I wasn't sure, maybe you, someone used the phrase addiction, that we often blame the phones for being addictive and we can't get away from them.

Call it for what it is.

It's bad manners.

If someone is talking to you or you're talking to them and they start looking at their phone, well, that's not Apple's fault or Samsung's.

That's just pure bad manners.

Yeah, I think everyone is different.

Some people have a preference for being, you know, outside the work hours, not to be checking emails and things like that.

Some people like to blur the boundaries between work and their personal life as well.

And something yet, the Nokia phone has come back into vogue.

Something that I tried myself a few years ago with young kids and everything, their activities is all through a smartphone and WhatsApp usually.

I had to switch back to the smartphone, not for myself, but for managing the kids' activities, you know, the life responsibilities as well.

But if it works for that person and for other people as well, absolutely.

Everyone is different.