Episode Narrator

I love you to the end of the world. I love you.

We continue and continue and continue to sin, God. But you are a savior. God, you've given us a gift, not only of salvation, but you've given Sabrina and I a purpose.

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We have a purpose. We have a purpose. And I know that God knows our hearts. And I just pray, and that's my continual prayer to him, is that our purpose is not ruined by, you know, people hearing of our wrongdoing, of our affair.

Yeah.

And... Okay.

God, please help us to be wise. Help Sabrina to have the right words.

In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. I love you. Okay, I love you too. Bye, baby.

Hi, Sabrina. How are you?

He asked you only questions?

Detective Meyer.

Sabrina, how's it going?

Hi, my beautiful. I'm so sorry. We're just still getting dinner for the other guys.

No, don't feel bad. I miss you so much.

I guess I want to probably talk in person. It almost seems like suspecting you or something, or us, you know? So I started to think they might even be tapping into phone calls.

You know, officers are allowed to use ruse, meaning they're allowed to, if you want to get information, you're allowed to lie to get information. So it seemed like the whole thing of like, hey, I need you to call me. I'm putting in the paper again. I have nothing. Was like,

probably a ruse to get you to like relax and like open up you know no no i mean i yeah like honestly i feel like that's kind of what he's doing is like so he's bringing you out of your comfort zone and into his comfort zone and so you're like in his in his domain like oh yeah he was really nice right now obviously it's like okay you're driving to bakersfield to give final statements um

Why didn't you guys get all the final statements before, you know?

You and I have an affair, you know, and it's like, well, of course they're going to look into that.

Tomorrow, just call him and say, hey, you know what? Stuff has come up. Family and daycare issues and stuff. I'm not going to be able to make Wednesday. Can we reschedule for, like, Friday? You know, and just kind of, like, feel him out. Like, is he jerking you around? Because he hasn't been straightforward, it doesn't seem like.

They need a lot of information is what this is telling me. They have big holes that they need to fill.

Help to be made out of all the right words. Please give her calmness and clarity of thought. Do not give too much information.

The Psalms are so good. The Psalms are so good. because David is a lot like you and I, Sabrina.

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They shared their story on Something Was Wrong Season 6, Episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E. 's community. The episodes also bring awareness to the related, horrific stalking J.E.

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