Eric Jorgenson

Yeah, you own the platform or whatever, but podcasts and interviews and stuff like that.

Comparing with someone like James Dyson,

right, who kind of from some areas of a skill set is not massively different.

Senra told me about when he sat down with James Dyson.

James Dyson's done thousands, maybe tens of thousands of prototypes.

He said he was looking at James Dyson's hands.

So James Dyson's hands were like Alex Honnold's hands, these gnarled, sinewy, tough, thick things, these fucking chodes on the end of his arms.

I don't know.

That element, for instance, what's the role that that level of exposure is playing, I think is an interesting one.

It is not to think when you, when you roll back the clock that the Prius was like the eminent preeminent fucking electric car.

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