Eric Lichtblau

So that really confirmed what ProPublica had already kind of turned on the spigot to find.

Without the possibility of parole, yeah.

And it's worth noting that there have been more than a dozen other Atomwaffen guys who have also been put away on a variety of other hate crime and terrorism and doxing charges.

So there was...

guys out there to this day who are being arrested from Atomwaffen.

In the course of my research, yeah.

And obviously they were, as anyone would be, devastated by this and have tried to recover from that by starting a foundation, a charity called Blaze It Forward to sort of give back and partially through pro-LGBT causes.

Their son had

had never totally been out with them, at least.

And so they've tried to create a more openly friendly LGBT environment.

And his mother has a podcast that she does for anti-hate crime and pro-LGBT causes.

So she's devoted herself to a lot of that now, working with local politicians, Democratic politicians in Orange County.

Right.

Well, there was a period of a few years in 2017, 2018, 2019, after the Tree of Life attack, after the El Paso attack, when really out of necessity, they had to do something.

I mean, there was this series of high-profile hate crimes when it was too hard to ignore.

You know, we'd been through this period of

really almost 20 years when the FBI's focus and DHS focus had been on Islamic-inspired terrorism at the expense of domestic terrorism.

And I think you really saw that when you had these homegrown terrorists

terrorists in South Carolina, in El Paso, in Pittsburgh, then in Buffalo.

And that was becoming too hard to ignore.