Eric Newcomer

It's really tough because if a startup shipped these, everyone...

like they would be able to raise capital.

There you go.

There you go.

Okay, here's the thing.

If a startup launched this product and was able to do the demos that they can do, we've tried this product, we've done a number of the demos, that startup would be able to raise at,

I would say, easily a billion, just based on current market conditions.

But a startup is evaluated a lot differently, of course, than a public company that has spent somewhere in the range of $3.5 billion building this product.

So yeah, the feedback.

from the market has not been great.

From activists has not been great.

Tyler in the chat says, snap down 92% since peak.

So you can imagine a lot of the work that was done on these was done when they were a much, much, much bigger company.

Other scenario, he's getting some cauliflower ear.

He's training.

He sees Zach has gotten into MMA.

He doesn't want to be left behind.

So we don't know.

Yeah, and so many cool use cases.

But are any of them a killer use case?