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Eric Nguyen

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

I've always found it curious how biologists study life.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

There's this saying, a biologist will learn how a car works by poking at it, removing one part at a time and seeing how it affects the rest of the car.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

On the other hand, an engineer will learn how a car works by taking it completely apart and rebuilding it.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Take, for example, the Human Genome Project, one of the biggest breakthroughs of the last century,

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

We spent over a decade mapping out all three billion letters of our genome, the complete set of DNA.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

We thought that once we could read DNA and apply that same principle, poking and dissecting one letter at a time, that we could start eradicating all human diseases.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

But instead, we began to realize just how little we actually understood about the true function of DNA.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

As a researcher, I work on artificial intelligence and trained as an engineer.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

I learn by building things and understand by creating.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Today, I want to share an idea that can fundamentally change how we study biology and life itself.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Instead of just reading and dissecting DNA, we should be generating it.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And we can do this by treating DNA as a language, one that AI can learn to read, write and ultimately build.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

This idea led myself and a team of researchers at Stanford and the Art Institute with a sort of moonshot.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Can we generate an entire genome from scratch using AI?

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

build life from the ground up.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Now, I understand the thought of feeding the code of life into a generative AI is both thrilling and perhaps unsettling.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

But I came to realize that if this was possible, it could unlock some of the most powerful breakthroughs in science and medicine.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

But I'll be honest.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

We had no idea if AI could actually generate DNA.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

In many ways, DNA is like a language.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

It has grammar, structure, sort of like sentences and paragraphs that group together to form a story.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And these stories are passed down through evolution, generation by generation.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

For humans, it's been hard to comprehend these stories written in DNA, in large part because of its scale.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

DNA is extremely long, and yet at the same time sensitive to the smallest mistakes.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Imagine trying to write something the length of 30,000 books in a foreign language, and that when you're off by a single letter, one of billions.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

This can mean the difference between a healthy person and a person with a life-threatening disease.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And so to tackle these challenges, together with my colleague Michael Polley, we developed an AI that could generate extremely long sequences of DNA, 500 times longer than previous AI models, at high levels of detail.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

We assembled a team of scientists and AI experts and gathered the largest collection of DNA used to train AI.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

80,000 whole genomes fed into a model that we called Evo.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And our goal was to create something like a chat GPT for DNA, where you can prompt Evo and describe the DNA you want, and it would generate new sequences, one letter at a time.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

But there is one key difference.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

With chatbots, you can just read what it writes, and you can decide if it makes sense to you.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

With DNA,

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

It's not so simple.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

It's not an intuitive human language.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

How do you know if it's any real or good?

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

What does that even mean?

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

What we needed was a test, a way to verify that what it wrote would actually function.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And so we started with a familiar tool in biology called CRISPR.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

CRISPR is like a pair of molecular scissors that can edit DNA, used for things like gene therapy.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

We asked Evo to make its own and generate its own version of CRISPR from scratch, which had never been done before.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

It's got proteins and RNA inside.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

It's a complex system.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And so our biologists would take that generated DNA and analyze it to see how realistic does it look.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Does it resemble something in nature?

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How do its proteins fold?

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Which all give us a sense of its function.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

But ultimately, we have to test their ability to cut DNA by actually building them in the lab.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And so that's what we did.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Now, waiting for lab results can sometimes be a nerve-wracking experience.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Honestly, it's kind of like waiting for the results of a pregnancy test.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

You're excited, anxious and hopeful for a positive outcome.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And then all of a sudden, these two little lines appear.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Just to be crystal, crystal clear, these two lines are a good thing.

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That's what we want.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

It means that our CRISPRs cut a single strand of DNA into two in the exact right spot, just like natural CRISPRs in the lab.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And so that's when we knew.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

It worked.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Evo-generated DNA that not only looked realistic, but that actually functioned.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And so next, we decided to go for that moonshot, to try and generate a whole genome from scratch.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And Ivo was able to generate hundreds of synthetic proteins in a genome that resembled those in nature.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

But ultimately, he was missing a few parts.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

It wasn't yet complete.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

More like a rough sketch of the genome.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

However, this is just the first version.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

That rough sketch of the genome will become more detailed over time.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

In fact, within years, we anticipate AI will be able to generate whole, functional genomes.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

In other words, AI will be able to generate new life.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

As this technology improves, biology will shift from discovery to design.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

What might this world look like?

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Let's look ahead.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

In this future, we can make truly personalized medicine.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Imagine prompting an AI like Evo with your genome, finding sources of diseases, predicting your reaction to drugs and guiding treatment options based on your own DNA.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

But why even take medicine when you might have a permanent cure?

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we might choose to alter our DNA outright.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And we are beginning to see this today.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Recently, the FDA approved the first gene therapy for sickle cell disease, a painful, lifelong condition of the blood.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And it works by just changing a single gene in a person's DNA to permanently cure the patient.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And now, there are over 500 DNA-altering treatments awaiting approval.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

But let's say you're not comfortable with changing your DNA.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

What if we added new DNA?

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

All of our DNA is organized into 23 pairs of chromosomes.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Chapters, if you will, in the book that is our genome.

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What if evil learned to generate a 24th chapter?

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A whole new chromosome equipped with all the machinery needed to fight hundreds of diseases on demand.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

With DNA generation, what is the limit of what's possible?

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

We've all seen Jurassic Park.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

We all thought it was science fiction, and it is.

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Mostly.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Researchers are now reconstructing the genomes of extinct species, with one company planning to resurrect the woolly mammoth by as early as 2028.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Now, instead of bringing back extinct species, can we create new ones?

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Researchers are now engineering microbes for colonizing Mars.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

If we one day wish to be a multi-planetary species, we'd have to figure out how to grow things on Mars, make it more hospitable and possibly terraform.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And it is possible we have microbes on Earth that can handle a range of extreme conditions that we call extremophiles.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Now, I understand some of these things might sound scary.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

One of the biggest concerns is biosecurity, the potential to create bioweapons.

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Can AI be used to generate more infectious viruses?

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Yes.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

But AI can also defend and monitor against these threats as well.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And so perhaps you feel like me in that you have to choose between advocating for innovation versus safety.

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I'd encourage you to embrace both.

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because stopping progress entirely I don't think is practical.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

We need to evolve with the technology, monitor its capabilities and constantly be asking ourselves, what possible futures are we enabling?

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

As humans, we've always sought to understand the world around us.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

That is in our nature.

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But understanding alone has rarely been enough.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

For centuries, we've studied life by observing and dissecting it.

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But now, we're no longer just reading life's code.

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We now have the power to generate it.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

And with AI, we're at the beginning of unlocking new medicines, science and even entire new forms of life.

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Do we make small edits?

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How AI could generate new life-forms | Eric Nguyen

Do we write entirely new chapters?

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Or do we one day design life itself?

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Because to truly understand biology, we must create it.

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And the future of life is ours to build.

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Thank you.