Eric Ries

Thanks so much for having me.

Sure, yeah.

I was one of those people that grew up programming computers.

I couldn't believe it when I found out you could get paid for computer programming, like it was a job you could have.

I was so excited as a kid.

And I thought technology was the most powerful force in the universe, so I wanted to learn to harness it.

And my career is basically a series of me realizing that there's something more powerful than whatever I previously thought was the most powerful force in the universe.

So when I found out that technology is created by human beings,

I realized that actually management is a more powerful force.

And lately I've been helping so many companies develop these incredible management systems only to watch at the board level as they get dismantled.

And I realized, wait a minute, governance is even more powerful than management.

So it's kind of been like digging, digging down into the substrate layers that power our modern world.

That's kind of how it's felt.

Oh, God, it's so boring.

I know.

Yeah.

Yeah, listen, I've actually helped, I don't know how many companies now start and have success.

I've personally helped people create billions of dollars in personal wealth.

I've been around Silicon Valley and its incredible engine of wealth creation for a long time.

So I'm very proud of that work and I think it's amazing.