Eric Schmidt

And so the concern I have is that while we're pursuing AGI, which is incredibly interesting and we should talk about, and all of us will be affected by this, we better also be competing with the Chinese in day-to-day stuff.

Consumer apps, this is something you understand very well, Chamath.

Consumer apps, robots, and so forth and so on.

I saw all the Shanghai robotics companies, and these guys are attempting to do in robots what they've successfully done with electric vehicles.

And their work ethic's incredible, they're well-funded.

It's not the crazy valuations that we have in America.

They can't raise the capital, but they can win across that.

The other thing the Chinese are doing, and I want to emphasize this as a major geopolitical issue,

is that my own background is open source.

In the audience, you all know open source means open code, open weights means open training data.

China is competing with open weights and open training data, and the US is largely and majority focused on closed weights, closed data.

That means that the majority of the world, think of it as the Belt and Road Initiative, are going to use Chinese models and not American models.

Now, I happen to think the West and democracies are correct.

And I'd much rather have the proliferation of large language models and that learning be done based on Western values.

It's not clear.

You know, Alex Wang's a good friend.

He's come in.

He's taken over.

He's obviously incredibly capable.

I would not hold...