Eric Topol

I mean, still so many people won't get a shingles vaccine.

And we see the data consistent, three big natural experiments.

And

Wales, the U.S., and Australia, that shows like 20-some percent reduction of Alzheimer's and dementia, which would be a phenomenal drug, but they don't see the benefit.

I mean, this is part of our health problem.

Well, you know, one of the people questioned Stephen Thompson, I think his name.

And by the way, if you have questions for Tom or us, don't...

hesitate to put it in the message, but he said, future for whom?

And, you know, we are, as I introduced, talking about your book that gets at both levels, the population and individual future.

And as you mentioned for the individual, not only smoking, blood pressure, low sodium, that blood pressure 120 over 80 still is not clinically

No, and then, of course, the exercise.

But that brings up this other concept that I wanted you to develop with us today, the prevention paradox.

Tell us about how we are really the conflict between a personal benefit versus a population-level benefit.

Right.

Well, you know, and it also applies at the physician side because physicians will say, okay,

Well, you know, I don't see this in my practice, but their practice may be, you know, a couple thousand patients.

And it's been proven through other means.

And so the same prevention-treatment paradox is you just don't have a feel for the bigger picture, the bigger denominator.

Now, one of the things I want to get to, because this see, believe, create formula is what we have the antithesis of that right now.

We're not seeing anything.