Eric Topol

You were nominated for the vaccine.

You got going for 100 million people around the world.

But this is a problem where should pharma have been exempt from litigation for making vaccines for COVID?

And for that matter, you know, any other vaccines?

What are your thoughts about that?

Yeah, no, I think your tie-in with that industry is really quite noteworthy.

I want to get onto the hits of all this.

We've talked about the network and how it's progressed in recent years.

We're going to see attrition of young scientists.

We're going to see, we have seen the loss of public trust and, you know, anti-establishment, anti-medical community, which, by the way, also adds to the wellness industry's support.

But this attack on universities.

and the leadership of the public agencies, NIH, CDC, FDA, the HHS in general, we're in a very tough spot right now because there's so many things here that even perhaps when you were pulling the book together with Michael, they hadn't fully understood.

come to pass.

That is, a whole new administration came in and the attack on universities started to go.

And we're not done with that, of course.

Yeah, we're going to get into that future path in a moment.

But before I do, and by the way, one of the quotes in the book is so telling.

Anti-science is quite literally killing us by Katona and colleagues.

But, you know, the media here isn't helping.

We're talking about traditional mainstream media, social media.