Eric Weinstein

That was an issue.

But it felt like, if anything, I thought at the beginning when Metallica was railing, when Lars Ulrich was railing against Napster, I'm like, these are just your fans.

They're just your fans that are getting your music for free.

You're going to have to adapt, but they still love you.

And don't you make most of your money touring?

Or I don't know.

I don't know what the...

The economics of it are, but they're going to change.

This is a new thing.

Right now, micro markets, you know, just in prog metal, there are so many different flavors.

I understand, but what we're getting at is that the radio sort of dictated what became popular in a lot of ways.

And now things become popular in more of a sense of a viral way.

Sure.

Well, one thing is that these clips, if your clip gets picked up by TikTok and Instagram reels, that's some tiny fraction of a song is the catnip that leads everyone to your door.

100%.

I've downloaded many, many songs that way.

But I was hanging with Misha Mansour, who was making the Jamie claim, like, you got old grandpa.

And his point, yeah.

The thing is, I have at least the courage to hang out with actually cool people.

He said, you know, his point was, you're just not even watching it correctly.