Eric Zimmer

But yeah, it's disappeared as a problem for me.

And for anybody that's dealing with a compulsion, that's part of what's hard is you think about life without it and you just imagine that you'll always want it.

Like, yeah, maybe I could give up whatever your thing is, gambling.

I don't know.

Maybe I could give up gambling, but life would always feel like I'd always miss it.

I'd always wish I could do it.

And the truth of people who get over these things is that's not true.

The thing just ceases to be attractive to you, which seems impossible.

From where I was sitting at one time, I would not have believed you if you told me that.

I might have believed, yeah, maybe, maybe I could stay sober, but I would not have believed that I no longer would care about heroin.

That was inconceivable.

Well, I don't think it works because it's boring.

I mean, I think part of it, right, is that anything that we are trying to change that is meaningful tends to be something that is just going to have to continue to go on for a long time.

You don't get in shape once and then it's over.

You don't eat healthy once and it's over.

These are like lifestyle changes.

And so they have to be something that we can continue to do.

And the problem for most of us a lot of the time is we take on too much.

We think that we can start working out 90 minutes a day, also add cold plunges in journaling and meditation, and I'm going to make all that happen.

Yeah.