Erica Stanford

We don't fill most of those.

So the Chinese herbalists and the acupuncture, we don't fill hardly any of those roles.

We do fill the chefs because there's quite a high demand for chefs.

There has to be a job offer for them.

It has to be a proper job that is paid well.

And so you tend not to get those categories filled, but it is an important part to get these across the line so that we can get our exports out.

I don't know the answer to that question.

I don't think it's probably wise for me to answer it.

But what I do know is that what Labour did in their last term of government with RV21, with the mass migration programme, with no skilled

No English language, no health checks.

Just if you're in the country, welcome to New Zealand.

And if your family's overseas, bring them in, which put enormous pressure on our health system, our education system, infrastructure.

That plus, hey, let's open the floodgates after COVID and don't worry about actually properly verifying things.

People are now feeling that.

There is a lag effect of the hundreds of thousands of people that labour allowed across the border without proper checks.

So I understand how New Zealanders feel.

That was a disaster, but I want New Zealanders to know we have massively tightened that up.

I have gripped up the portfolio.

I've put in English language.

We are more fairly associating costs through levies on migrants.