Erika Barris

Hello and welcome to Planet Money.

Hello and welcome to Planet Money.

I'm Erika Barris.

In every city on the tour, we've been doing these interviews with special guests.

They've been Planet Money regulars like economists Raj Shetty and Emily Oster and some people in the news like the co-founder of Anthropic, Jack Clark.

And also people like economist Daryl Fairweather, who's trying to help regular people understand the massively complex economy.

housing market.

Today on the show, two stops from our live book tour, San Francisco and Seattle, where we'll talk about AI anxiety and how you, yes, you could be the key to fixing the housing crisis.

So first stop, San Francisco, where we got to talk with the co-founder of Anthropic, Jack Clark.

As you know, Anthropic and their AI models, Claude and now Claude Mythos, are raising all sorts of thorny questions about what AI can do and what it can't.

And we were, of course, going to ask Jack about all of that.

But we wanted to start with some writing he published online several years before starting Anthropic, a series of short stories that give some perspective into how he thinks about the future.

Here he is with Planet Money host, Kenny Malone.

Jack Clark, the co-founder of Anthropic, talking with Planet Money host Kenny Malone.

A quick clarification, that reference to the screw tape letters was basically correct.

In it, C.S.

Lewis does write about noise writ large as a distraction to man.

It was in a different private letter that he talked about the downsides of gadgetry, including the wireless radio.

After the break, what it's like to be a behavioral economist for Amazon.

Welcome back.