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Erika Barris

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1329 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

Through the 1920s, Venezuela very quickly became the biggest oil exporter in the world.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

And a small group of oil companies emerged as the most aggressive, the most prominent, and the most productive.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

Companies, you know, like BP and Shell.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

Eventually, they'd be called the Seven Sisters.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

And among them was a small oil company from California, the company we now know as Chevron.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

There is a word for a country like that, a word that Terry Carl is semi-certain she coined in her writing about Venezuela, petrostate.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

Discovering massive amounts of oil is a treasure chest, holding a Pandora's box, holding an economics textbook.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

Because along with the possibility of global riches comes a host of potential issues.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

The first and most immediate effect of all this oil was the Dutch disease.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

When something obscenely valuable is discovered in a country, it tends to upend the rest of the economy.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

Except no, because that means buying things from the Netherlands becomes more expensive.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

And so suddenly the existing industries, often agriculture and manufacturing, they have a hard time competing with other countries.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

And it's astonishing.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

The Dutch disease is a less debated prong of a very debated idea called the resource curse.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

The idea that maybe discovering something like oil is a curse in the long run.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

Because when one resource becomes a country's solo source of riches, it tends towards things like economic instability, authoritarianism, corruption.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

Yeah, once oil took over the Venezuelan economy, there was all this wealth.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

And one of the big challenges that arises with a petrostate like this one is you end up with all the power and wealth concentrated in one set of hands, or in this case, seven sets of hands, the seven sisters.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

And concentrated power tends to lead to big power grabs.

Planet Money
Chevron, Venezuela and the Paradox of Plenty

At the time, Venezuela's minister of development was like, why are these seven sisters making so much money off of our oil?