Ernesto Londoño

But just as Minnesota seemed ready to start having a more frank and constructive conversation about race, and even to just talk about the fact that Somalis were largely responsible for these cases of fraud, it's now been bulldozed by the debate over immigration and the xenophobic rhetoric that we're hearing from the president.

Right.

It's going to be really hard to disentangle these two issues.

And I think the pragmatic change that, you know, will likely happen in the months ahead is going to be really hard to divorce from the national politics.

Natalie, it's been a pleasure.