Ernst Roets

Exactly. So they've been known as the Bantu speaking groups, but today it's controversial to use that term. Why is that? because it's a term that refers to black people. And I think some people have used the term in the context of making derogatory remarks or something to that effect. I see, I see.

So, but that's how they were known historically. And that's the Zulus and the Khozas and the different groups that we know in South Africa today. And they came down from the north and pushed out the Bushmen. They came down from the north and they pushed out the Bushmen.

So, but that's how they were known historically. And that's the Zulus and the Khozas and the different groups that we know in South Africa today. And they came down from the north and pushed out the Bushmen. They came down from the north and they pushed out the Bushmen.

So, but that's how they were known historically. And that's the Zulus and the Khozas and the different groups that we know in South Africa today. And they came down from the north and pushed out the Bushmen. They came down from the north and they pushed out the Bushmen.

And they are fairly small also, which is one of the reasons when the bigger tribes came in from the north and there was conflict between these groups, they were pushed out. They were not able to take a stance against the Zulu people who are typically a strong nation.

And they are fairly small also, which is one of the reasons when the bigger tribes came in from the north and there was conflict between these groups, they were pushed out. They were not able to take a stance against the Zulu people who are typically a strong nation.

And they are fairly small also, which is one of the reasons when the bigger tribes came in from the north and there was conflict between these groups, they were pushed out. They were not able to take a stance against the Zulu people who are typically a strong nation.

Yeah, very militaristic, yes.

Yeah, very militaristic, yes.

Yeah, very militaristic, yes.

Exactly, yes.

Exactly, yes.

Exactly, yes.

And also to service the ships, building ships, repairing ships, and so forth, yes. Right. And so that they started in 1652. Eventually, they had what we call the Freiburgers or the Freeburgers, which was that some of the they were employees of the Dutch East India Company.

And also to service the ships, building ships, repairing ships, and so forth, yes. Right. And so that they started in 1652. Eventually, they had what we call the Freiburgers or the Freeburgers, which was that some of the they were employees of the Dutch East India Company.

And also to service the ships, building ships, repairing ships, and so forth, yes. Right. And so that they started in 1652. Eventually, they had what we call the Freiburgers or the Freeburgers, which was that some of the they were employees of the Dutch East India Company.

Some of them were then released from their contracts so that they could become farmers so that they could start developing an economy. And so there were some clashes with, for example, the Bushmen already there in the Cape between the Europeans and the Bushmen. But there was also examples of trading and cooperation and so forth.

Some of them were then released from their contracts so that they could become farmers so that they could start developing an economy. And so there were some clashes with, for example, the Bushmen already there in the Cape between the Europeans and the Bushmen. But there was also examples of trading and cooperation and so forth.

Some of them were then released from their contracts so that they could become farmers so that they could start developing an economy. And so there were some clashes with, for example, the Bushmen already there in the Cape between the Europeans and the Bushmen. But there was also examples of trading and cooperation and so forth.

And so these things were very complex. We had the same dynamics in South Africa with the Afrikaner people and the English as well, yes. But just to get to that point, it's unfortunate that thinking about history, history tends to overestimate or overemphasize the conflict and downplay the cooperation, because conflict is more newsworthy, you could say.