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They like to get in those passing lanes.

They like to try to force you into those little pockets, and then they smother you, and then they run the other way.

The Spurs don't have to do that.

The other thing that really works for them defensively, we saw this live, and it was really cool to point this out.

I think, Dave, you were the first one to point it out to me, of how quickly...

Victor Weminyama always switches out with whoever's man is going low.

So he remains the low man.

And that makes things so difficult for the Thunder because they are now evading the paint drives that they typically do all day against other teams.

And so between Victor Webinyama on defense being the low man at all times or on offense being the guy that's spaced out, bringing Chet Holmgren out of position, they are just set up perfectly on both sides of the ball to take advantage of what OKC typically wants to do.

And it's within their character.

It's who they are.

They don't have to become a different version of the Spurs in order to be successful.

And to your point about the guards, though, and the size, like, I'm happy you brought up the fact that they can pressure early because that's another thing that when it comes to beating OKC, it's really also beating Shea, right?

And finding a way to contain Shea.

And we know that Shea is elite when he has single coverage, but when you've got Dylan Harper, Tavon Castle, um...

uh Devin Vassell De'Aaron Fox rotating in those guard positions they send early help and it make it makes Shea either give the ball up a little bit earlier pass out to his teammates and and they also have late contests they have both available to you and so it just you see Shea like in the contest this year his free throw rate has not been that great again he's not getting to line as much so that also helps from the guard perspective yeah I

That's the one thing.

Yeah, experience for sure.

The consistency in Victor Rabanyama is like something that we still have to see pretty, you know, pretty evenly.

But it does...