Esther Zuckerman

I think you're right, though, Esther, that this movie deprives its characters of kind of snappy, small talk, get-to-know-you banter because of the language divide.

So it's so often them communicating through actions or struggling to get the other one to understand their meaning or then like basically leapfrogging to deeper, more direct questions because the formality of needing to study for this test means that you're just like asking things you would never ask on a date.

Seems kind of quick to anger, even though he doesn't explode that many times.

And he's got some level of criminal history that he explains as like,

You guys are getting hung up on the real guy, which I understand.

Yeah.

But it's not just the real guy and his real actions.

It is, like, what is his energy on screen?

And I do think, Esther, there's something to perhaps...

In this type of character, often you cast a charming person and have them as an actor work to affect a layer of edge on top of that that can then melt away.

And dip or do is the opposite side of the equation, which is here's a guy who feels a little dangerous and he's working to like show you the charm inside of it.

But so the edge never melts away.

It's the joke of the season.

I'm saying the other men you're talking about, were they just making jokes about Heathcliff the cat or did they go for a specific Calico?

Retire bit myself.

You're hoisted by your own... You're hoisting yourself to the ceiling?

No, no, no.

But there's... The calico critters, the line of toys, the little fuzzy animals.

I was confusing them with who Heathcliff hangs out with, who are the Cadillac cats.

Cadillac cats.