Eugene

Yeah, that's something we spoke to Robert Putnam about on the show.

Still one of my favorite human beings.

No, really?

Yeah, for sure.

Oh man, Bob Putnam is just like- He's wonderful.

He's one of my favorite human beings because of how he synthesized what's lacking in humanity today.

And it's that we think that good politics creates good relationships in society.

And he was like, no, the good relationships in society is what creates good politics.

And so we live in a world now where we go, we don't agree, so we don't spend time.

And if I get my politics good enough and I get my worldview good enough, we will all come together.

And it's like, no, no, no.

If we all find ways to come together, not around the politics,

the politics starts to build itself in the most meaningful, beautiful ways, which is counter to how people think.

And it's beautiful that you said it that way.

Yeah.

You grew up in Washington?

I grew up in Seattle, Washington.

Yeah, wow, look at that.

Yeah, I grew up in Seattle, Washington.

No one said anything about your wrist.