Evaristo Salas Jr.

But two judges seemed to be pretty open.

And one of the judges mentioned, you know, innocent person in prison two different times, you know.

So to me, that was really encouraging because, like I said, I don't know if it's because the first judge was so, you know, on pro-state or on their side that he didn't push back on nothing.

And then these judges, you know, pushed back a little that it makes it look even better.

But for whatever reason, it was just encouraging to see that.

because if they're asking those kind of questions, then at the very least, they're actually looking at the case in a kind of objective kind of way.

Exactly.

And he couldn't answer them because they're so... How do you... I mean, if it's so...

And that's why he stayed trying to argue the finality because, you know, that it doesn't matter anymore because it's 25 years.

And he tried to just not even talk about that.

And the judge was right when he pushed back when he said, look, if a guy's in prison for something he didn't do, we're supposed to ignore that because 25 years passed?

Exactly.

And he called him on it and he couldn't really answer.

And they did it to my lawyers, too.

But we had that stuff, so we could explain it.

It was hard to argue because we could say, okay, this is what we got, this is how we got it, this is where it came from, and there it is.

And for him, it was like he was just trying to...

Yeah, exactly.

The worst part about it is that there... It's like, for me, it's like...

they're defending a position which to a certain extent I think they know is a lie or they know where they're doing it simply out of either it's prestige or they don't want to look bad.