Eyck Freymann

But I think it would take a lot.

to get to the point where all those people leave, you know, there's elites.

And when I go to Taipei and I have, you know, friends who are in business and, you know, they are going out to Omakase every night and like some of them have Canadian citizenship for their kids and they've got the ski chalet in Switzerland or whatever.

And some of these people do exist in Taiwan.

But for the most part, ordinary people, they don't have a place to go.

They don't have a visa status that allows them to just pick up and go to Japan or Australia or someplace else.

And it takes a lot to walk away and abandon your home.

And what could happen and what I warn about in the book is.

So you mentioned war games, right?

The war games usually start with... The war game I played a couple of weeks ago, it started with... In the pre-turn, us, Team China, had blown up a US aircraft carrier.

So that's like T equals zero.

That's like the first turn.

But that's not in the real world how a crisis happens.

The crisis starts happening before those first shots.

And...

Usually what would happen historically is people would say, well, this is basically a non-issue.

It's a non-issue.

It's a non-issue until everyone panics at the same time.

And then how do you get everyone out of the country?

Like we thought that the evacuations from Saigon and Kabul were hard.