Ezra Edelman

Marlee Cogan, Danon Hinton, you know, Jenny Troyer, Deja Lee Carroll.

They made the film.

They were also putting themselves...

on the line and investing so much of themselves to make this thing as a PA or, you know, an archival assistant or as a producer or as an editor.

And the way you go through the world is to amass credits.

People see what you do and they go, oh, wow, that was really good.

You worked on that.

And right now this doesn't exist in the world.

It's a big zero.

It's a negative space.

I mean, why can't there be, as Brett Cordano, one of my editors said, be nice if there were something on IMDb that said the book of Prince unreleased and then the people who worked on it.

No, I think the problem is this is a runaway train or has it already hit us and we don't know it.

OK, do you feel right now, though, that like one of the things I love about you is your your earnest ambition to create a podcast that is trying to find out to tell the truth, to be journalistically rigorous.

And you have found an audience for that.

And so I think you should feel good about that.

And that gets back to the general breakdown that's always been between like there are documentaries and there's a Hollywood movie.

And so in essence, that's what we're talking about here.

There's a Hollywood movie, which is a play on Broadway.

And so the issue is that now the estate is going to put out its own documentary, but that's not a documentary.

By definition.