Ezra Klein

You know, if you had put up a list, I would not have been shocked by that.

I mean, the military men are very...

are very methodical.

I don't usually, but because I thought it would be good to see if we could direct to more interesting things, I thought it'd be good to connect.

No, I go on podcasts where people see where it goes and I find it shocking.

It's also, it's two things too.

It's like one, you got to know your strengths.

I was just on Dax Shepard's show.

I don't know if it's out yet.

I don't think it is.

And you know, it's like a real talent to just

exist in the hang and to make the hang work, you know, with Dax and, and Rogan and some of the others have, but I think what I'm good at is actually like absorbing the other person's project and kind of coming out with like a, like an interesting distillation of it.

And then the other, which I've been trying to, I do a lot less now.

I don't go on TV.

I'm selective about which shows I go on.

And one thing I want to try to do is then if I'm going to be selective, like be even more thoughtful about using those opportunities well, so that there's some reason to do it and interesting things happen when I'm there that are creatively generative for me and good for the show I'm on.

Be more narrow, but also more, put more into it.

I think people can often tell the difference without knowing they're telling the difference.

The way that when you see amazing athletes, their work looks effortless.

I think the really, really, really good podcasters, in different ways, it's not always because they did so much preparation about the material, but the shows that are really good, people are seeing something that reflects an iceberg under the surface.