Ezra Klein

It might be painful.

It might not be.

But no one is telling me what to think.

You know, we spend so much time thinking the thoughts of other people and enduring the rants of other people and the obsessions of other people.

Meditation is, I think, a really interesting way to kind of put a fence around your consciousness.

You know, you put down your phone.

You still have a pad because you're just trying to get rid of those to-do things.

But when it's working really well, there's great pleasure in watching the show go by and the things I wasn't expecting to think about.

Suddenly, I'm in imagery and all this kind of stuff.

I do have an internal life, contrary to what that guy said.

Sure you do, Michael.

We spend a lot of time anesthetizing ourselves, and there's a kind of boredom that I think is generative that we don't experience anymore because we have all these amazing ways to fill that space.

But that space was productive in its unproductive way.

And we've given that up.

So that's a space of consciousness too that we could easily reclaim.

I think psychedelics are one way to take control of your consciousness.

I mean, that's probably not the right verb because there's so much that's uncontrolled, but it's all you.

And I think that's one of the reasons that there's so much interest in it right now.

You're blocking out a lot during a psychedelic experience as you go inside.

So those are the kind of things, you know, I think we need to think in terms of hygiene for this great gift we have.