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But that was weakness. I mean, I think we all see that now. Yeah, that was Barack Obama had the direct connection to his own coalition that allowed him to pretty easily say no to its internal members. Yes. And Biden and he believed on domestic policy didn't. Or at least felt he did. And I would say in a different way Hillary Clinton in 2016 did it.

But that was weakness. I mean, I think we all see that now. Yeah, that was Barack Obama had the direct connection to his own coalition that allowed him to pretty easily say no to its internal members. Yes. And Biden and he believed on domestic policy didn't. Or at least felt he did. And I would say in a different way Hillary Clinton in 2016 did it.

They were both trying to do what Obama was able to do directly. They were trying to do it in a mediated fashion, right? Do it through the groups, through the institutions, through the sort of coalitional work of party building. And both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are party builders. They're both creatures of the party. They work coalitionally.

They were both trying to do what Obama was able to do directly. They were trying to do it in a mediated fashion, right? Do it through the groups, through the institutions, through the sort of coalitional work of party building. And both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are party builders. They're both creatures of the party. They work coalitionally.

That's fine, but not at a time when people fundamentally don't like your coalition. And it doesn't work if you then don't govern in a way that makes you popular. Look, I've been trying to say this to people recently because I think it helps get at something.

That's fine, but not at a time when people fundamentally don't like your coalition. And it doesn't work if you then don't govern in a way that makes you popular. Look, I've been trying to say this to people recently because I think it helps get at something.

why the Liz Cheney effort failed, but other things might succeed, which is that the salient fact about independence is not that they don't really like the other party, though that's true. It's that they don't really like your party. And the way Democrats tried to appeal to independence in 2024 was to try to bring in other people who didn't like the other party, right?

why the Liz Cheney effort failed, but other things might succeed, which is that the salient fact about independence is not that they don't really like the other party, though that's true. It's that they don't really like your party. And the way Democrats tried to appeal to independence in 2024 was to try to bring in other people who didn't like the other party, right?

We, but also Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney, don't like Donald Trump. But actually, the problem was these people didn't like you and you needed to communicate to them on some of that. You understood why they didn't like you and you were going to make an effort to address it. When people have doubts about you, you have to like not just deepen their doubts about the other people.

We, but also Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney, don't like Donald Trump. But actually, the problem was these people didn't like you and you needed to communicate to them on some of that. You understood why they didn't like you and you were going to make an effort to address it. When people have doubts about you, you have to like not just deepen their doubts about the other people.

You have to actually allay allay their fears about you. And I think that's a place where we've had some failures here. And look, my view is this book, this argument, it critiques the Democratic Party from the left, from the right. It critiques just failure. And I think that's not actually that ideologically coded or different ones are maybe coded ideologically differently.

You have to actually allay allay their fears about you. And I think that's a place where we've had some failures here. And look, my view is this book, this argument, it critiques the Democratic Party from the left, from the right. It critiques just failure. And I think that's not actually that ideologically coded or different ones are maybe coded ideologically differently.

But to what was said a minute ago, we actually do have a ton of examples of politicians who run with a somewhat arm's length relationship to the Democratic Party. And Bernie Sanders is unusual in that he's been doing it sort of from the left for a long time. But if you look at who overperformed in the House – in 2024, they're the House Democrats trying to reformat the Blue Dogs, right?

But to what was said a minute ago, we actually do have a ton of examples of politicians who run with a somewhat arm's length relationship to the Democratic Party. And Bernie Sanders is unusual in that he's been doing it sort of from the left for a long time. But if you look at who overperformed in the House – in 2024, they're the House Democrats trying to reformat the Blue Dogs, right?