Ezra Klein

Such that RFK Jr.

is now the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

People's sensitivity to paternalism is very, very, very high.

It's a very potent political force.

That's true, but I've been extremely disappointed to see that even the parts of Maha that I thought made sense have made it nowhere, right?

You will watch Kennedy now eating his tallow-fried French fries and going to these fast food restaurants that if they really wanted to make America, the American food environment better, they could.

Meanwhile, the president of the United States

is forcing RFK Jr.

to eat McDonald's and photo ops.

Their actual willingness, when it came down to it, to take on industry was extremely low.

Yeah.

If you listen to what they're saying, it's fine.

Have they done anything that will, in a sustained way, change the food environment for people?

I would love to have seen Maha ban advertising to kids.

They didn't.

Yeah, huge cuts are continuing to go into effect there.

Then always our final question.

What are three books you recommend to the audience?

Julie Blues, thank you very much.

This episode of The Ezra Klein Show is produced by Annie Galvin.