Ezra Klein

But I mean, the numbers are very, very, very low.

You often have immigrants coming here because they have a credible fear of persecution where they're from.

And it often seems to me that the Trump administration's policy is meant to create a credible fear of persecution here.

Like, why would you go somewhere where these things could happen to you?

So as you say, the border, through whatever mix of mechanisms, has gone quiet.

That has created the space to focus the border patrol on the interior of the country.

What does it mean to have the Border Patrol focused on the interior of the country, both in terms of operations, but also in terms of, I guess, the sort of deeper question about the way the Trump administration is looking at the country itself and what its problems are?

A lot of the immigrants swept up in these raids and in some of these policies, they have, or at least until very recently, had some legal status.

And we've been talking about, at least in theory, people here without legal status.

But how have things changed for many of the people who came in with some legal status, even temporary legal status?

You've done a lot of reporting on what it is like to be caught up in these raids.

You've talked to people in them.

I mean, people, I think, have seen many clips.

But what are some stories that stand out to you?

What happens if you're an immigrant or you're nearby an unauthorized immigrant or you're in the building that they've decided to target?

What is it like?

can't tell, although I have a suspicion, to what degree that is the actual policy.

I mean, from the beginning, as these raids have and these occupations have escalated in their size and their aggression, in their framing and their propaganda, it has always looked to me like they are creating the conditions for these tragedies to occur.

And

That is a fairly common thing in authoritarian regimes.