Faiz Shakir

and line them up by which state parties in other words we're doing a great job cycle after cycle of making sure that that's almost like a reverse lottery right like you yeah you earn you want first in the nation be the best democratic performing state you have a spot for them essentially like you know i'm not a huge soccer fan but from what i understand you know you have the like the

You know, the second tier- Relegation.

Right, exactly.

So-

I do, though, think to your point, I mean, it's making your argument here, how and why you could have a recipe to do that.

So, okay, a smaller state that will overperform getting a Democratic vote out and will have earned a spot in the first four by virtue of that.

And I think it's not a bad thing to everything that you just said.

It's probably more...

you know, probably rural tendencies.

And now you're rewarding states to say, show me that you are going to turn Democratic voters out and you too can find yourself in the top, at least have a metric and guide for how you- Well, that's where, or how about Kansas?

Yeah.

Yeah.

But on this, though, the thing I'm trying to express is not just that Democrats have held office is that we're building our ranks.

I want to see and reward those in the state parties who are who are doing an aggressive job of building ranks.

the people uh in and right now that that was my number one critique of a democratic national committee architecture is that that is not one thing that we measure or assess or reward if you're going to give money out to state parties do it with some metrics or goals in mind and say hey you know you will earn this money by showing me that people within your ranks have grown how have they grown what volunteer capacities have you done how will you earn these dollars not just me doling them out well

You've got to find somewhere in the Sun Belt to invest in.

I mean, Georgia, obviously, we're talking- Imagine if they hadn't done Georgia, right?

And how, to my mind, you can't lose the SEC this year after year.

It's like, it just doesn't work.

Winning is a big deal.