Fareed Zakaria

So for example, our Justice Department does technically sit entirely under the president.

That is not true in Europe.

All their Justice Departments are independent agencies.

So what that means is that what we developed after Watergate was a set of norms

the president wouldn't ask the attorney general to prosecute certain cases.

But those are all just norms that we developed after Watergate.

And Trump just broke them all.

And he just said, look, there's no law that tells me I can't do this.

Similarly, he's correct when he says, there's no law that says my kids can't do all the business they want and take advantage of the fact that they're my children.

And all these things were norms.

And what it's turned out is that we need more

actual laws that constrain executive power in particular.

And the challenge here is the Supreme Court has become so pro-executive power that I think we're in a very bad fix because you can see the problem as you described it.

The Trump presidency is basically knocking down norms, in many cases, violating laws.

The TikTok ban should have been implemented.

It was a congressional ban.

That was a law.

Yeah, and that is in some ways at the heart of the problem of the American constitution, because I would argue that one of the things that the founders really could not have imagined was these political parties that are so loyal to the party and to the president as the head of the party that they completely abdicate their institutional loyalty to Congress, right?

So Madison always believed that

congressional power would always be a check on executive power because Congress wants to retain its own self-interested, you know, for self-interested reasons, retain power.