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Fareed Zakaria

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1186 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

What is striking is the difference.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Bush, for all his flaws, and he made many, many mistakes in Iraq, always looked at it as an essentially idealistic, aspirational mission.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

We were trying to help the Iraqis.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

He never demeaned Islam.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

He always tried to sort of see this as part of America's great, uplifting mission.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And you almost miss that because even in our mistakes, even in our errors, there was always that sense that, you know, we were trying to help this country do better.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

We were trying to help these people do better.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And what you're describing, I think, quite accurately is Trump approaches it not just from the point of view of the 19th century country.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Because sometimes people talk about, oh, he loves McKinley and he liked tariffs and he's like McKinley in that imperialism.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

No, Trump is more like a rapacious 18th century European imperialist who did not have any of McKinley.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

McKinley said he went to the Philippines because he wanted to Christianize the place.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And there was none of that sense of uplift.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Most of it was just

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

brutal.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And it was, as you say, the individual was never at the center of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Human life and dignity was never at the center of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

It was all a kind of self-interested, short-term, extractive game.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And Trump is hearkening back to that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And it's interesting to ask where he gets it from, because it really is probably fair to say that

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Nobody else on the American political spectrum, if they were president, would speak like that.