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Fareed Zakaria

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

That period when the Soviets expanded their nuclear arsenal in the late 50s and 60s and the United States and the Soviets were going macho, mano a mano, it was a very unstable period. Think of the Berlin crisis, the Cuban missile crisis. So to have a better working relationship with China in this period, I think is a very good thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

That period when the Soviets expanded their nuclear arsenal in the late 50s and 60s and the United States and the Soviets were going macho, mano a mano, it was a very unstable period. Think of the Berlin crisis, the Cuban missile crisis. So to have a better working relationship with China in this period, I think is a very good thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And if for whatever reason Trump gets there, I'd be the first to applaud it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And if for whatever reason Trump gets there, I'd be the first to applaud it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

I think what Trump represented for the Israelis was the most unqualified support that any American president was ever going to give to an Israeli prime minister. And the relationship is obviously very personal between Trump and Bibi.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

I think what Trump represented for the Israelis was the most unqualified support that any American president was ever going to give to an Israeli prime minister. And the relationship is obviously very personal between Trump and Bibi.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

As a result of that, by the way, he was able to get a ceasefire because, in effect, it seems that his envoy told Bibi, you're not going to get a better deal from Trump, so you better take this one. This is in the waning days of the Biden administration. But I think that it's also a kind of ideological affinity to Bibi-ism, if you will.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

As a result of that, by the way, he was able to get a ceasefire because, in effect, it seems that his envoy told Bibi, you're not going to get a better deal from Trump, so you better take this one. This is in the waning days of the Biden administration. But I think that it's also a kind of ideological affinity to Bibi-ism, if you will.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

If you notice in that UN resolution in which the United States absolutely bizarrely sided with Russia on against Ukraine, against almost every democratic country in the world in basically not condemning the Russian aggression in Ukraine. There were two unusual countries that went along with the U.S., Russia, North Korea, Belarus. It was Hungary and Israel.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

If you notice in that UN resolution in which the United States absolutely bizarrely sided with Russia on against Ukraine, against almost every democratic country in the world in basically not condemning the Russian aggression in Ukraine. There were two unusual countries that went along with the U.S., Russia, North Korea, Belarus. It was Hungary and Israel.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And I think what that tells you is that there is this ideological affinity that Trump feels with Bibi both wrongly persecuted by the liberal elites of their country, both representing the kind of silent majority in their minds, both believing in huge amounts of disruption, both tough guys. So there's, I think, a kind of personal and ideological connection that Trump has with Bibi's Israel.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And I think what that tells you is that there is this ideological affinity that Trump feels with Bibi both wrongly persecuted by the liberal elites of their country, both representing the kind of silent majority in their minds, both believing in huge amounts of disruption, both tough guys. So there's, I think, a kind of personal and ideological connection that Trump has with Bibi's Israel.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And you can see it when you watch them together.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And you can see it when you watch them together.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

You know, I've tried to understand it, and most people, with a lot of what Trump says, it does appear to have come out almost spontaneously. And so my guess is what happened is Bibi Netanyahu essentially expressed what has long been a kind of right-wing fantasy in Israel, which is if only we could clear these Palestinians out of Gazaβ€”

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

You know, I've tried to understand it, and most people, with a lot of what Trump says, it does appear to have come out almost spontaneously. And so my guess is what happened is Bibi Netanyahu essentially expressed what has long been a kind of right-wing fantasy in Israel, which is if only we could clear these Palestinians out of Gazaβ€”

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

This would be a great place for us to, you know, it was a big mistake for us to leave. And it's an amazing piece of land. We could think of the wonders we could do with Gaza. So it's it maybe came out of that. What it has done is it has in some ways given comfort to both sides. The extremists on both sides.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

This would be a great place for us to, you know, it was a big mistake for us to leave. And it's an amazing piece of land. We could think of the wonders we could do with Gaza. So it's it maybe came out of that. What it has done is it has in some ways given comfort to both sides. The extremists on both sides.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

So right-wing Israelis now say, and I mean people to the right of Bibi Najinyahu, say, you see, this was not a fantasy. This was something real. The president of the United States is now advocating getting the Palestinians out of Gaza. So all those people have dug in. And believe that this is really viable. And by the way, it's spreading to their views on the West Bank as well.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

So right-wing Israelis now say, and I mean people to the right of Bibi Najinyahu, say, you see, this was not a fantasy. This was something real. The president of the United States is now advocating getting the Palestinians out of Gaza. So all those people have dug in. And believe that this is really viable. And by the way, it's spreading to their views on the West Bank as well.