Fearne Cotton

Yeah, I bloody well mean it.

I think you're amazing.

And also, like, looking at your...

relevant backstory which I don't think gets talked about enough because you're the brilliant thing about you is you're always currently on it like you're you're engaged in the world around you you're on top of things you want to talk about relevant things going on in the world but actually then we kind of stop looking at you as a person and your backstory which is exceptional in itself you don't come from money you don't come from yeah you don't come from

This established family that was always, it was a given, you would go to university.

You broke the mould massively.

So first of all, let's start with Carol Vorderman growing up in North Wales.

You've not got much money, but you've got, what, is it drive?

Is it determination?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, was your intellect pointed out to you?

Was it praised at school so you knew?

Because you didn't meet your dad properly until you were in your 40s, right?

42, yeah.

Yes.

Yes, and I absolutely have understood this about you forever.

And having a deep dive before this chat today, independence seems like...

A very important quality to you.

And that strikes a chord with me.