Fearne Cotton

Yeah, and they have confidence.

Because that's the biggest block.

Yeah.

One of the most brilliant things about your whole story is we've all seen your career evolve over the years.

But also I think as a woman, and this is something where, you know, I'm certainly on this journey at the moment, is finding your power, feeling like you can stand up and say,

these are my beliefs I'm educated in this area or this is what I would like to put forward as as my idea and I think that does take years of experience and growth and knowing yourself inherently so you can stand there and confidently say what you want to say which you know I know so many of my girlfriends just like go Carol we love you when do you think you started to feel like yeah I want to

Have my bloody say.

I want to be in this conversation.

I want to get involved in this.

Correct.

Really?

Oh, I remember thinking that.

That is mad.

This is the thing about you, Carol, and you highlight for everyone, women and men, but for women especially, this notion that if you are an academic or you are intelligent, you have a

bigger IQ and you understand how the world works and certain things, that you are to give over the entirety of your vanity and that you're not allowed to look hot and gorgeous or wear nice clothes, that you have to fit a stereotype that probably a man has invented hundreds of years ago.

Yes, that's right.

And you have busted that myth again and again.

And this is why I love you on social media more than anything, is that there you are being the most intelligent person we know, also looking fucking incredible.

Wow.

And people want to comment on it constantly.