Fiona Harvey

They were rejected, but it was an expert called Ruth Chambers from the Green Alliance think tank, and she just wouldn't take no for an answer.

She got these rejections and just plowed through them and found ways around them and went to the information commissioner, explained, you know, why it was necessary to publish this report.

And eventually they agreed and they did publish a truncated report.

version of the report.

They didn't tell us that these were excerpts from the report, but it was clear because this was a 14-page report and what we were expecting was a huge monster of a report.

So there were very clear gaps in what was eventually published in January.

Well, it gave us a lot more detail on some of the threats that were involved.

It was a lot more, I suppose you could say, it's a bit more apocalyptic, really.

It was more of a sense of the dangers and the military dangers and a sense of the fragility of the UK.

It's interesting that all of this was happening before we had the war in Iran.

Right.

And what's happened with the war in Iran is that some of the points that were made in this report about the UK's fragility have been shown really in sharp relief now because of their reliance on fossil fuels and the threat to food supplies from fertilizers and so on.

All of this was kind of sketched out in the report about the UK's kind of interconnectedness and vulnerability in an international sense.

And now we're seeing it play out.

So you wouldn't get all of the apocalyptic impacts within four years, but the report is very clear.

This is not a faraway problem.

This is not a long-term issue.

We will start to see these impacts from 2030 and that there will be cascading risks from there, you know,

The big risk here is of tipping points.

And you drive an ecosystem from all of the terrible things that we do to them.