Fiona Hill

You know, for example, most people in Scotland speak English.

The Scottish language is not the standard bearer of Scottish identity.

It's almost a civic identity, a different identity than not just national identity, just like you see in Ukraine.

And there's lots of English people that have moved to Scotland and now think of themselves as Scottish or Brazilians or Italians and, you know, all kinds of people who've moved in there.

I mean, it's a smaller population, obviously, and it's not the scale of Ukraine, but...

You know, people feel differently.

And there's been a devolution of power.

And when Brexit happened, you know, Scotland didn't want to go along with that at all.

They wanted to kind of still be, you know, having a window on Europe.

And that's kind of historic.

And lots of people in Ukraine have looked west, not east.

You know, it depends on where you are, not just in Lviv, you know, or somewhere like that, but also in Kiev.

And Kharkiv, you know, was kind of predominantly a Russian-speaking city.

But Kharkiv was also the center of Ukrainian culture and Ukrainian literature, you know, at different points.

People have different views.

I grew up in the north of England.

We don't feel like the south of England.

There's been a massive divide between north and south in England.

For millennia, not just centuries.

So, you know, people feel differently depending on where they live and, you know, kind of where they grew up.