Fiona Hill

And he intends to actually have a lot of loyalty to people as well.

Or he also kind of thinks it's best to keep them inside the tent than outside.

And he moves them around.

You know, he kind of, okay, you know, he gives them multiple chances to redeem themselves if they don't.

It's not like he has them done in.

I mean, yeah, there is a lot of that in the system.

But the people that he's worked with for a long time, you know, he moves them around to something else, perhaps where they can do less harm.

Although, you know, we often see that he has quite a small cadre of people that he's reliant on.

And, you know, they're not up to the task, which is kind of what's happening here.

Yeah.

But he also, in the past, has been more straightforward, just like you were saying here, more pragmatic.

And I think, you know, if you were engaged with him in Russian, well, you're actually literally speaking the same language because there's so much lost in translation.

I used to jump outside of my skin listening to some of the phone calls because, you know, the way that they kind of relayed, you know, with an interpreter...

No, because I know I'm listening to the Russian and the translation, which is happening, you know, in real time.

And having been at a translators' institute, it's really difficult.

Look, an interpreter is trained in the moment to do something, you know, the synchronized or the real-time translation.

So translation is an art as well as a skill.

If you're doing simultaneous translation, that's the word in English, you know, synchrony перевод in Russian, you're kind of focused in the moment on the fragments of the discussion, trying to render it as accurately as you possibly can.

And when you come out of that, you can't relay the entire conversation.

And often, you know, what translators do is they, you know, they take this little short note like journalists do.