Fiona Hill

You can use subversion.

You know, we're worried about all of the undersea cables, all these weird things happening, you know, off Orkney or in the Mediterranean or, you know, all these other things that are happening, Nord Stream 2 pipelines, other infrastructure.

There's all kinds of other things that you can do as well here.

It's not just, you know, again, this is a civilian nuclear threat of blowing up, you know, one of the reactors.

Now, he's got to be sure about where the wind turns and the wind blows.

And there's all kinds of things to factor in here.

But Putin is definitely sitting around calculating with other people, what can I do to turn this around?

I mean, he still thinks that he can win this.

Or, in other words, he can end it on his terms.

Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhia.

And, you know, capitulation.

Or recognized as being part of Russia.

Or he can freeze it and then, you know, kind of figure out where it goes from there.

What other pressure he can put on.

I mean, I'm sure he's confident he can get rid of Zelensky.

And he can prevail over us.

I mean, look, I mean, the UK is going through prime ministers, you know, faster than I'm changing my socks.

You know, so it's like, you know, he can, you know, prevail on the, you know, basically he can...

it can have an impact on the political scene in Europe and elsewhere.

I mean, again, everyone's talking about winter coming and Putin's thinking, yeah, great, I've destroyed the infrastructure of Ukraine.