Fiona Hill

I mean, I get very shocked by the way that people say, well, I couldn't do this because, you know, that's my side and I couldn't do anything and I couldn't support someone for the other side.

I mean, I have a relative in my extended family here.

who died in the World Republican and on family holiday, there was a book on their table, said 100 reasons for voting for a Democrat.

And I said, hey, are you thinking of shifting party affiliation?

Then I opened the book and it's blank.

It was pretty funny.

I had to laugh.

I thought, well, there you go then.

There's no way that people can pull themselves out of these frames.

So for me, it's very important to have that independence of thought.

I think you can be politically engaged on the issues,

but basically without taking a stance that's defined by some ideology or some sense of kind of partisan affiliation.

Or he's even asking the right kinds of questions, which he often did, actually.

I mean, obviously, he put them in a way that most of us wouldn't have done.

But there was often kind of questions about why is this happening?

Why are we doing this?

And, you know, we have to challenge ourselves all the time.

So, yeah, actually, why are we doing that?

And then you have to really inspect it and say whether it's actually worth continuing that way or they should be doing something differently.

Now, he had a more kind of destructive quality to those kinds of questions.