Fiona Hill

I mean, they're all the people who make the decisions.

It's not always as consultative as you might think it is.

And for Trump, it's like, I'm not listening to anybody at all.

It's just me and whatever it is that I'm walking up today and I've decided to do.

So I think the problem with all of our systems, why we don't get results, because we don't draw upon the diversity of opinion and all the ideas of people out there.

You do that in science.

I mean, all my friends and relatives are in science.

They've got these incredible collaborations with people across the world.

I mean, how did we get to these vaccines for the COVID virus?

Because of this incredible years of collaboration and of sharing results and sharing an idea

And our whole system has become ossified.

You know, we think about the congressional system, for example, as well.

And there's, you know, this kind of rapid, you know, turnover that you have in Congress every two years.

You know, there's no incentive for people, you know, basically to work with others.

They're constantly campaigning.

They're constantly trying to appeal to whatever their base is.

And they don't really care about, you know, some do, you know, of their constituents, but a lot of people don't.

And the Senate, it's all kind of focused on the game of legislation.

Right.

uh for so many people as well not focusing again on that kind of sense about what are we doing like scientists to kind of work together you know for the good of the country to push things along and also our government also is siloed there's there's not a lot of mechanisms for bringing people together there ought to be and things like the national security council the national intelligence council actually did that quite successfully at times for analysis that i saw