Fiona Hill

He seems even more successful now than he did before when there were actually constraints and restraints within the US system.

I think it's really the latter.

But, you know, the idea that Trump, you know, could win, you know, obviously, I don't think they'd fully thought that this was going to happen.

But, you know, they'd be delighted if that was the outcome, as they were popping champagne cocks and all the rest of it.

But their ultimate goal, I think, was just to kind of bring us down to size, just to say, oh, chaos.

Well, you know, they've really succeeded in that.

And just to show everybody else that the U.S.

was no better.

I mean, it's just the success beyond their wildest dreams.

Really, and again, it's not really their success.

They're just taking advantage of, you know, our own failings.

And, you know, I remember just a couple of meetings with when I did get into government with the.

Russian ambassador at the time, Ambassador Antonov, where he just relayed back to me when we do these, you know, equivalents of day marshes about all the things that they've done in terms of interference.

And he'd say things, well, did we invent that?

Did we invent this?

Did we do this?

Did we do that?

It was all about things that Americans had done.

And you have to say, well, no, you didn't actually.

You can't blame Russia for everything.