Fionnán Sheahan

But that said, look, he wasn't all he should have been.

And he was a minister for finance who at one stage didn't have a bank account.

And was winning money on horses and had large bags of cash in closets and stuff like that.

Yeah, he did not distinguish himself.

I mean, that is undoubtedly true.

He was the author of some of his own misfortunes.

But his achievements...

Stand.

There is a question about the Celtic tiger, the boom getting boomier.

People who are the naysayers really should go and commit suicide because they're begrudging our economic prosperity.

And then the whole thing ends in tears.

It just collapses.

Sitting on the sidelines or on the fence, cribbing and moaning is a lost opportunity.

Because of the personal finances issues, Bertie Hearn ends up resigning in 2008.

Yeah.

After he has brought Fianna Fáil into a third term in government.

And it's kind of remarkable how things go downhill so fast for the country and for Fianna Fáil thereafter.

Is...

Is the bailout, the loss of sovereignty of 2010, is that going to be the defining period where we will look back and say that was the end of Fianna Fáil as we knew it?

Whatever about them being back in power now and Micheál Martin is back as Taoiseach and they're the biggest party in the country.