Fionnán Sheahan

And it's about, it's over 600 million.

So there's a couple of things going on.

One, it seems to catch government and Department of Public Spenditure on the hop.

We've had two education ministers in the last year, and I think a lot of the blame of both the S&A crisis and this overspend gets put at the feet of Hildegard Nacht and the current education minister.

But it's always worth pointing out, Helen McEntee was also there for however long, was it about 10 months, right?

So that's just the context of it.

Government departments have now been told, we have to make up this, not shortfall, we have to bail out the Department of Education.

That was actually the conversation last year.

And it's funny you should say that because it's only jogged my memory.

The budget negotiations last year, we were told privately, the toughest ones were between Jack Chambers and Helen McEntee.

And perhaps the conclusion of the postmortem is now that the Deeper simply did not fund the department enough.

That's certainly what education was there.

But yet we still have, the narrative keeps going on and it's beginning to really wear thin on me anyway.

This narrative that we have from Deeper of reining in spending, of putting controls in place.

And yet, as you point out, we've this overspent and now we have another health overspent.

And one of the great, I suppose, you know, legacies that Robert Watt was supposed to have left behind was to tighten this control in.

Now, this is a HSE problem, by and large.

You know, you can argue, well, those are two different systems.

Sources in Deeper point to the fact that

education weren't being seen to put in place any sort of checks and balances on themselves to rein in their spending to prevent something like a bailout.