FKA Twigs
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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
And then it just makes everybody feel so happy in their bodies that they just want to be naked and be together and be expressive and move in ways that they've never moved anymore.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
And then you go through this whole experience and it is going up and up and up and everyone's driving each other and kind of pushing each other and egging each other on until you realize that you have to go back because we have to be here. You know, you have to be here and grounded. So then you come back into the place where you originally were.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
But you have a piece of what you discovered and you can take that piece of what you discovered into the room where you are and leave with it. So it's not that everything has to change. It's just that it needs to be infected a little bit.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Well, it's really hard for me to pick singles, you know, for Eusexua because I really love it all and all of them are so important to me. And it's like these 11 corners of Eusexua. And so I just wanted to try and squeeze in, you know, two ends of the spectrum because Drums of Death is very hard and it's very tough and it's very visceral.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
And then Eusexua is very ephemeral and it's very cerebral and... It's like such an offering, you know, in a different way, but both are so important. So it's kind of taking two things on the album, which are on the opposite spectrum to show kind of the breadth, you know, of the piece of work.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
But there's just moments on songs, there's lyrics, there's bits of sounds. There's this amazing kind of harp break and keep it and hold it where the whole song kind of just breaks down and it goes out of time and this harp sort of tumbles. And I find that very physical every time I listen to it. Or there's certain lyrics, like there's this one song called Sticky.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
well like I found that when I get tense like my body gets in so much pain like when I feel stressed and then I was there's a lyric and it's like like you're right I hold it in my body little snakes inside a bottle writhing in my frustrations because I feel like sometimes you have like little insects inside your body yeah you know when you feel stressed so I don't know this little kind of
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
bits of every song but it's hard i i like it all and i think that there's probably you know something a lyric a sound a beat that could you know connect with everybody wow and where did you record most of the album I wrote Room of Falls, the lyrics. I started to write them in the toilets of a rave in Prague.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
And On Perfectly, which is on the deluxe, there's the sound of waves in Ibiza crashing at the end of the ocean. I wrote some of it in Big Sur, in this kind of bizarre sort of hippie retreat that had no heating, no electricity, no Wi-Fi, no doors, no curtains. And then...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
It was freezing. I mean, that was a whole thing in itself.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I can go into, but basically I have a friend, Jeff Basker, who's like an amazing songwriter and producer. And he said to me, I've just got this.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
kind of musical ranch in Big Sur like I'd love you to come and like bless the place first because he hadn't had any proper recording sessions there I was like I'd love to come and so I invited some of my favorite producers and artists and friends to come and hang out with me but we got there and obviously like he was still like setting it up figuring it out yeah and so there was nothing there was nothing yeah and so were you breathing and scared and alone I mean we all convinced ourselves that we were gonna get killed on top of this hill
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
It kind of got very, it was getting like Blair Witch after a while, but it really added something to the music.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Yeah, it was kind of hilarious. And to be honest, like we actually entered into such a state of hysteria that it got to the point where we all had to sleep in each other's beds. Right. We got so scared that we had to share beds and take it in terms of like whose room we were sharing in. It was a whole thing, but we made like probably a quarter of the album.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
no you you couldn't leave I mean basically I mean I feel bad I feel like I'm like gonna blow Jeff up but like basically like basically the wi-fi and the heating went out and then Jeff was like okay like I'm gonna go back to LA and we were like wait Jeff's day yeah we were like just saying he was like no like you know we have this like lovely guy Jerry there to look after us we're like
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
okay, like Jerry's here, that'll be okay. But it was on the top of this hill. So you kind of, you couldn't get down. Yeah. You like technically couldn't really get down. So yeah, we stayed there and we just cut, we just rode out, but it was definitely psychedelic for sure.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Wow, I really didn't plan this. That's the whole point of the show, isn't it? I should have thought about it. Okay, let me think.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
um okay i can tell you the last thing i was annoyed about yes just is it just the last thing it's kind of it's not a big deal but yeah okay so basically i just came back from shooting um a music video in marseille and we were shooting nights so we were shooting from like 2 p.m to about 5 a.m but then i was too excited so i couldn't go to sleep until 8 a.m so i basically stayed awake for three days
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
and then what i well i was awake for three days because it was like shooting two nights right right i just was awake the whole time and then there's this big storm in london so then i tried to get back from marseille to um
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I tried to get back from Marseille to London but there was a storm so I couldn't then I had to get a train from Marseille to Paris back to London and it took 24 hours to get back from Marseille to London which is it's like a three-hour flight and then I went to the airport well because I've come away on this trip now and I'm away for two months and I packed but I was so flustered when I was packing because I only had like a few hours because I was back a day late because of this whole
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
travel scenario and so they went to the airport and i missed my flight when i went to the airport so then i ended up just staying in like a hotel that's closer to the airport but then i was too excited to sleep last night and then i was like it's fine i'll sleep on the plane so then i got on the plane and um i bought a little eye mask from boots and i
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I put my arm mask on and I put the pillow, like, just up against the chair. And I went into, like, the nicest, like, car sleep. Like, you know when it's, like, that kind of really deep, like, you're just straight into REM.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
And I was having the best dream, actually, about a song. It was a dream about a song. And I was, like, really, I was, like, out of it. And then, like, the air hostess, like, tapped me on the shoulder and said, like, Madam, do you want some lunch?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
said to her because obviously like I was sleeping with an eye mask which is like a whole nother thing we can get into in a second but like I had this eye mask on and I lifted it up and I just was like I haven't slept for three days I was like please just just leave me alone so yeah it's kind of minor but that's not minor see like that for me no that's very minor that's well that's minor for you but for me that would have upended my entire day I would have complained about it for hours do you sleep hot or cold
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I can do either. Sometimes I love a fever sleep because I feel like it gets out all of my nightmares. Yes. You know what I mean? But I mean, cold's obviously better for you and it's a more comfortable sleep. But sometimes when you're like feverish and you're like fighting for your life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wake up and you're like.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
yes i've always i wouldn't call them nightmares i think i have very like very vivid dreams which are nightmares but for me i don't have always had it since i was a kid like very very intense vivid dreams but i just kind of like i can control them a little bit and sometimes i wake up and i think now i'm gonna get back in that dream i'm gonna get that pink elephant you know you're like a lucid dreamer yeah so i kind of go back in i think no that is not gonna get the better of me i'm gonna go back in wow did you have to like train yourself to do that
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Good question. I think, I mean, really, like, going to techno clubs inspired you, Sexua? I've never really, like, Understood techno. Okay. Growing up, I never was like, oh, this is what I need to.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
There'll be one soon. I had one in LA only a few weeks ago.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I'm picking up what you're putting down. Okay, yeah. It's like a proper rave. Yeah, you should come. I used to think it wasn't for me, but now it's saved my life. Really? Yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Well, because techno is very primal. It's like these beats, and they're so primal and...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I mean that's what I wrote Room of Fools about this Room of Fools we make something together with open wounds we're bleeding out the pressure because I think wow it's so funny when you see people dancing and they're by themselves and they're like doing these like movements and you think wow like you look like a fool right and then you like put it in context of everyone moving together and you think wow this is possibly the most important thing that's ever happened in the human race and I'm here witnessing it right now in this very second because everyone's there together just getting like something out of them
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
yeah it is like that it's like i when you go to a really good techno club i would describe it as it's like okay you know i don't surf because i don't water but but you know when people talk about surf etiquette like the way that people take the waves i don't really know but basically there's a whole etiquette to when you go and take a wave and like who goes first and if there's some there's a really big wave then you allow someone who can go and really body that to go and do it or i don't know but there's an etiquette right of like a good kind of surf spot
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
But you know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Good, I'm not making it up. Just imagined this rule book. So there's this etiquette of how to surf, but there's an etiquette of how to rave. It's like there's in like a really good mosh pit, there's an etiquette.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
You know, like moshing is like a technical, like scientific thing of people that have been going to mosh pits for many years and there's like an element of protection in them so no one gets hurt.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Yeah, because when it's done properly, it's a culture. It's not just like a frivolous rage. It's a culture of something which is really important that people have set the rules to keep everyone safe for a very long time. And that is like when you go to a techno club, it's like one of the rules is you do not judge people. And you can dance really close to people. No one's going to bump into you.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Actually, no one's really even going to come on to you unless you want that, you know. And it's a very... it's a very like open and uh important place you know for humans to go and get out what they need to get out from their stressful weeks uh but yeah i'll take you out to a good way
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
it is so for you that's the thing about raving is it's for everyone wait so when did you start going to like like because you said it you didn't think it was for you for the longest time but sorry i'm like harping on this i'm so fascinated um probably like probably three years ago four years ago it was like a post-pandemic thing yeah post-pandemic yeah but it saved my life wow yeah it actually really did because i think it made me realize that
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
that I um could be in like harsh environments it's given me like a lot of confidence because because I think like you know I've gone through a lot of stuff in my life and I think I just got to a point where I felt like so like like everything all the time like so much anxiety like so much kind of like needing to be super careful like this thing of always being so careful and then it was when I was in Prague and I went to a rave and I thought like
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I've got myself like I don't need to be careful anymore like I'm here I'm safe I'm present this is amazing I'm sexy I'm hot I'm young I can like I'm an artist I can like control my life I'm like back in control again and it was in those environments and the more I went the more that feeling started to grow like I got more confidence I became sexier I became like younger hotter more fab
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Yeah, let's go to a rave. I got to go to a rave. Because nobody judges you there. It doesn't matter.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
You can't really perceive anyone in a rave because you're too busy judging.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
writing about like how to get into the music wait so you're saying you you've said you're you're doing these you sexual raves can you tell me about those my first one was in london and then we've taken it to new york and la and uh we've got some really special raves planned the week of the album release but it's i guess bring like the youth sexual culture into an environment where
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
people can come and be themselves. And, and I set like a very loose kind of, not a dress code, but like a kind of, it's not a dress code. It's like a visual, like place to turn up in, but not like an aesthetic, but like a kind of like a, almost like an energetic place to, to turn up with this energy. So we speak a lot about rebirth and scorched soil and you go and, uh, I'll send you some videos.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
It's kind of hard to explain. It's just... It's amazing. It's free. You dance. It's not about...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
usexua like as a brand or like a marketing experience it's not about that it's just about being able to facilitate a space for people to have an amazing time in and discover things about themselves or to find a sense of community to find a sense of belonging uh chosen family uh yeah fab space wow that's that's awesome do you do you play the usexua album at these raves among other music or
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I mean, I'll get up and like do a little shimmy to a song or two, but it's not a performance. It's more just like a hello. Yeah. Just to let everybody know that I'm there and I'm with them, but it's not like a full performance. It's not like, Eusexua, Eusexua Rave is not about me. It's about like.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Yeah, I'm excited. I love performing, although I don't do it a lot, but I do love it.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I love pushing my skill set, and performing live is a really amazing place to do that. Being able to pull the different...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
dance skills that i've learned together so like voguing and pole dancing and wushu and all even singing styles opera or like more rapping it's a place where everything can shove into one thing right which is really exciting the only thing is i just sometimes miss my dogs so much you have dogs yeah i've got two dogs that's the only thing like i just miss my dogs so much uh when i'm away from them you can't bring them on tour if you take a bus do you take a bus
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
uh not on this first one i don't think so but i could maybe one day but they're just they they need routine they're brussels griffins they're quite highly strung okay not like behavioral issues but they're quite a stubborn breed right they're just best to stay in their routine i'll say get a bit like right right you know and they've you know brussels griffins like flat face jaw like can i see a photo yeah i would love to see a photo if that's okay yeah of
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I love nothing more than like showing pictures of my dogs to people.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
They're at doggy camp at the moment because I'm away.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Yeah, they're really. They're honestly, like, so grumpy. Look, they've made a friend. This is the other one.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Yeah, they're always fuming. Honestly, they're the. I don't know. I don't want to. I feel like always really cheesy talking about them. But I mean, look at that face. I don't know who that lady is hugging him. He's like, get off him. He's like, stop touching me.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
No, they're not. They're not. But they're like brother and sister in spirit. They're honestly hilarious. I mean, look at that. What even is that?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Yeah, but I'm starting to learn French. I've been calling Chicken Girl now Poulet Phil.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
No, but I just really want to learn to speak French.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Yeah. I feel like I could learn. It's just time, isn't it?
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
And to not scroll and to do something productive with your day.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I can do. I'm trying not to. But this is kind of what Eusexua is about, actually. It's really, I actually made like an 11-step somatic healing program to go with Eusexua.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
So I made like, I studied somatic healing movements. Somatic healing is... Somatic healing or like... Okay, so I got into learning about the polyvagal nerve, which is kind of like a nerve that runs from your head all the way down your body. And it can become out of tune with itself. And then if it becomes out of tune, it means that you experience stress and anxiety at a higher rate than...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
uh or like you're dysregulated um so i started to discover the way that through moving your body you can retune your polyvagal nerve so that you experience stress in more of a measured and realistic um amount rather than it spiraling okay wow and how do you i i know this might not be such a There's two different things.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I guess with your polyvagal nerve, there's things that can retune it like humming, cold showers, massage, shaking. But then I started to really learn about where trauma is held in the body and where stress is held in the body. And I discovered there's a lot of like shaking and bouncing and repetitive movements that can release the stress.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
So basically you just release trauma from your body and you feel more regulated as a human being. And so I came up with 11 aspects of life that I feel can be quite stressful. It goes back to, you know, the office in the beginning. At the beginning of Drums of Death, there is an office which I call Crone Corp. Okay. And so if you look, there's little Easter eggs of Crone Corp within the office.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
And croning is a word that I made up, which is when you scroll mindlessly. But it's like beyond doom scrolling, because I think croning for me is when you start to develop
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
opinions and ideas that are not necessarily your own but you don't know that they're fed to you from the algorithm so you can't really tell like oh i'm suddenly following this political movement because of my algorithm or i'm suddenly identifying with this group of people because of my algorithm rather than real lived experience i mean we've all had friends we've kind of like lost to
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Exactly. So that's Cronen Corp. Wow. So Cronen, like I came up with, I mean, I can show you. Please, please show me. Okay. So Cronen, yeah.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
it is the movement would be what i call a presence wash okay which is basically it's kind of hard with the mic but it's basically where you can like rub over your body with your hands like this you rub over your body and okay let's do it we're we're we're croning we're croning okay i'm rolling up my sleeves like let's fucking crow
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Okay, so say for example, if I had come to this lovely interview with you. You think it's lovely? It's gorgeous.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
It's truly fantastic. So if I had come to this lovely interview with you and I just posted a picture on my Instagram 10 minutes before.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
so say i'm not feeling like this by the way but okay and i haven't posted a picture okay that'd be cool if you did my label would think so yeah jk jk love you um but so if i was i just posted a picture and i was thinking to myself like oh um i actually really want to check and see how that picture's doing that's not really honoring you it's not really honoring this conversation that we're having so what i could do is um
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Another thing is the temperature in the room. It's not cold, but there's like a slight like prickle to it. That's another thing. And then I can hear the air conditioning as well. So there's three things and that's a real life memory. It's just a real life snapshot. So I'm thinking of the flesh in your cheeks. I'm thinking of the prickle in the air and I'm thinking of the air conditioning humming.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
And that's grounding me and all of a sudden I'm here present with you back in the room. There you go. And I'm not thinking about my device essentially. So that's level one. That's something that you can do... almost as a cue to yourself that no one else can tell. But then level two is in the morning.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
If one felt like they had an issue with like technology, laptops, phones, all these things, then you could do a full body presence watch, which is basically where you rub over the whole of your body with your hands. You can do it to like music or no music and you rub over the whole of your body for 11 minutes.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
in the morning and then you carry that sensation with you through the rest of the day so that when you rub your hand you're really thinking no like I'm working on this but there's 11 different ones like you know one for example is around intake the things that you're consuming whether that is food it could be products that you're using it could be words that you're choosing to take in it could be you know so that's intake I've come up with 11 of them basically I won't take you through them all but
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Honestly, it just kind of, it just came to me. I don't know. There's not really like a reason for the number 11. Um, that's not actually a reason to be honest with you. It just, it just felt right.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
yeah well cronings that you know cronenberg the director yes um no sorry i got excited and i lied i don't know who that is that's okay okay um so uh cronenberg's a really cool director and he in his films are quite like sci-fi and he has a lot of um devices that are attached to people's flesh in his film so he has like
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
these cords that get like injected into people's spines or these kind of weird like gaming devices right made out of flesh that you kind of can become one with and and so it's kind of a i guess an ode to his films and the way that he often merged uh like humans and technology together to sort of create a bigger like political point i guess about where we were at the time
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
imagine you have, if you've had like too many keys on your key chain. And it's really annoying because you can't put it in your pocket and you can't put it in your bag. And you're just like, oh. But these are big keys. But then if you look at the keys, you think, okay, well, I don't need like my bike shed keys on there. And I don't need like my mum's spare keys for the thing on there.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
So, you know, you could take keys off your key chain and perhaps you'd only have four keys there and then it would fit in your pocket and it's easier to manage. And you're not going to be paranoid about losing things. That's the way that I feel about friends and people.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
So if you have so many people on your keychain, it's really hard to keep track of what all the different keys are for and you can't fit it in your pocket and you're constantly worried about losing your keys. But if you just take some off with love and then you just have four keys on your keychain or five or however many you can manage to fit in your pocket, for me it would mean that...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
i'm just more capable of of handling the people in my life and so so it goes farther than let's say someone's doing your head in and they're not on your keychain it just doesn't really matter right because maybe the people in your keychain are like your mom your sister your boyfriend and your best friend right you know and everyone outside of that it's like with love but you don't have to necessarily like ingest or have such an energetic exchange with them
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
mind state yeah so mind state is if you ever had something in your personality where you're like i just really need to fix that yeah and it just keeps on like keeps on coming up and you're just like why do i keep on reacting that way or why do i keep on having this thing yes if you go into a period of mind state it means that you're actively going to take some time out just to work on that thing so that could be an hour or it could be a weekend or it could be a week or a holiday where you think i'm going to work out why i get so angry when i'm waiting in a queue
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
example and so you go into mind state so someone would be like can i hang out with you on saturday evening and you can be like i'm not free i'm in mind state wow because you're just taking time to yourself just to like work on something alone just to think about something alone to to you know iron it out a little bit all these terms are like very healing i feel like do you feel like you as an album is like a healing album
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
I don't want people to think of eusexual healing in the way where it's in any way, like, wet or hippie or... Right. Because it's not. It's really hard and it's really confrontational and at times it's very punk and expressive and raw. So the healing word, yes, but at the same time it...
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
For me it's yeah healing but you sexual is really about metal and the city and concrete and much harder ways of expressing yourself. I think I've really struggled with the word healing because I think of a really cute girl with like really nice abs wearing like pink sort of like
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
yoga leggings and like waving like paula santa around and i personally just don't relate to that okay you know because i'm from the the underground like quite literally like i clawed my way up from croydon college you know you don't know where croydon is but if you're i don't know where croydon is then you know like i mean like i like went to croydon college i've like clawed my way up from like the city and and i made it
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
coming from London, which is like a very harsh environment. And maybe people, if they're from like New York or cities or even just like harsher home environments can relate to this. Like healing doesn't for me have to be this sort of like really pleasant thing. You know, it's not, it doesn't have to be pleasant. It doesn't have to be plastic. It doesn't have to be in pastel colors.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
It can be, healing can be made out of metal and concrete and healing can be to like thunderous drums and healing can be to auto-tune and healing can be to,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
loud noises and vast spaces and deafening silences and it can be full of rooms with crowded people with amazing makeup on and right healing can be queer and it can be bizarre and it can be ugly it doesn't have to be you don't have to wear yoga leggings right so like although you can yeah if that if they're cute
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
A little bit, yeah. But then that's not me putting healing down. I think that everything's become an aesthetic. Yeah. Subcultures are now an aesthetic.
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
You know, let's do goth makeup for a day. Right. you know, which is fine. That's absolutely 100% fine. But I'm at a point where like, I just need to latch onto something. Like I've been at a point where I'm like,
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
fighting for my life like give me something just to fucking hold on to right like god give me something to hold on to you know and like a one day makeup tutorial is not gonna fucking cut it for me this time right you know i mean like i need something real i need something tangible i need something lasting i need something that's got roots right do you feel like you've found that yeah yeah definitely but i always find that i sniff it out i'm like a little truffle pig
Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 53: FKA Twigs
Yeah, they do. But that's what, that's what culture is to me. You just, you have to like be in the right place at the right time. And it's rare when you sniff it out. Wow. You have to be on the ground. You can't be like scrolling on your phone. It's not something. You can't be croning.
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You have to be there in real life and experience something and build something, be a part of something, start something. I feel like I'm being really intense.
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Well, when I was in Big Sur and we all lost our minds.
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No, that's good because it started in a very like spontaneous way.
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No, I think that's what you need. Thank you so much. You're welcome.
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No, you would, but this is like the marking. It's like the marking of your power.
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Yeah. But you made that because you moved, and that was...
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I mean, I don't know because I'm not in people when they listen to the album, but I've had an awakening. Yeah. And that's my truth. So hopefully someone else will feel that. I think they will. But there's just so many moments which are so true to me about being present. That even at the end of you sex, you're like...
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I say people always told me that I take my love too far but refuse to help me I was on the edge of something greater than before but nobody told me like you're not being present like you're on the edge of something so great like with your podcast and everything you're doing and all these people that you're talking like you're on the edge of something greater than anything you've done before but like nobody tells you so you don't realize but you have to tell yourself and that's where I've been so many times in my career like I'm standing on the edge of a stage performing to like take
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tens of thousands of people and like i'm there and and it's just like somebody forgot to tell me like twigs this is now like you're doing it right now and that thing you wanted to do you're doing it right now and nobody told me so and i just say don't realize it because you're so in your head yeah exactly that's really beautiful that's really beautiful wow you sexualize a lot about being present as well
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It's about being present. It's about being yourself.
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But in a pure way and also kind of like, it's about being yourself in a pure way and also in a country way too because like, the both, two things can exist at the same time. It's a duality. Like, this is what I'm saying. You don't have to be like, I don't know, for me anyway, like,
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to win and be successful and to be like fab and to be cunty I don't have to shut myself off from actually how I'm feeling like I can be fragile and vulnerable at the same time the two things can exist yeah for me
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Your marking. Your sexual marking. Your scorched soil marking.
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No, scorched soil is something that kind of comes up a lot at the raves.
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No, it's kind of like this like phoenix from the ashes, rebirth, like nude, silver stiletto, tribal stomp, unearthing of her vibe. Yeah.
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For that one that I just did. I say like prescription, like learn to play the violin.
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Or the harp. Like spread your legs, get a harp between your legs, braless, and just like strum away and just like feel yourself. I say prescription harp.
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Okay, I'm going to go deep with prescription. Fan. Yes. Spread-legged, like, braless, like, maiden. Uh-huh. Sheer dress. Let your hair down and, like, play the harp.
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Yeah, that's crazy. Okay, so now I have to say what the prescription is.
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Okay, my prescription would be, like, to watch Annie Hathaway's Oscar-winning speech.
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Because it's so all-consuming that you'll just forget about everything else. Just forget about it.
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You see what I mean? Now you're not even worried about that.
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That's a really hard one. I don't know. What would you say?
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Okay. blow it up yeah i think it's okay to blow things up sometimes okay just like move to a whole different place uh-huh like cut your hair and dye a completely different color and just become a whole new person and just like try it out for a couple of months of just like like do you know i mean just invent a new version of you right just be a new version for like a couple of months and just
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see like you know it's almost like um it's like the you sexual video yeah so far the other way you just take like a little bit of that and then just like bring it back into your life bring like the remnants of it back into your life i'm making any sense completely completely yeah so just try going really far the other way see how it feels and then just take like a little bit of that like back into right and i'm not even just saying this but i would now prescribe you sexual and the music video for it as inspiration really
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a sort of grace for that especially in relationships yeah exactly like some people just have like parents that are just more tricky than others and so it might not be about you it might be about them right um yeah that is that is kind of like a tough one but yeah family's tough i don't know what i would prescribe i would prescribe maybe meet the fuckers i've never seen meet the fuckers
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Yeah, like just to see why you might not want to meet someone's family.
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Oh, what about, what's the one with like the girl that the family.
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No, what's the one with like where the girl and she, they play this family game where they basically kill, they play this game and then you have to like hide and hide and seek.
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And then you run around the castle and then like... Not knives out, but... No, it's not knives out, but you run around the castle and you have to hide and then the family have to hunt you.
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I don't know. I must figure it out right now. Go hide and go seek.
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I don't know. I stretch a lot, actually. Yeah, I stretch a lot. Like, I go into, like, hyper-stretch. The thing is, I hyper-focus on things a lot.
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Yeah, me too. So I try to get hyper fixated on something else. I don't know if that is actually even healthy.
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Because it's so fab, you just have to watch it again and again and again.
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Yeah. No, seriously, I will take you out and you might have a little date as well.
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Actually, the guy that I want to put you on a date with is coming to LA.
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that's gonna be so cute can i come can i crash yeah obviously yes i actually think it could be such i mean at the very someone said to me the very least you know someone put me on a blind date so at the very least you'll be friends i feel like you'd be good friends okay i love that i will say that um about six years ago i was having piano lessons and i'd had like one or two lessons with this piano teacher
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And I said, you have to meet one of my oldest best friends. I was like, I feel like you're going to get along so well. So I just put them on a group text. And I just said, at the very least, you'll be good friends. They're still together.
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okay so i'm so happy we met because i am in desperate need of a boyfriend you're not in desperate need of a boyfriend you're killing it like you don't need to be like in desperate need like you don't need to i know you're killing it like you're doing amazing like you're smashing it like thank you yes you are you're killing it babe so you just need to be like just just kind of own it you know and just be so confident in yourself like alone like you've got this it's hot it's sexy
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Yeah. Yeah. yeah it really does a place where it's like really hard but it's not in any way like mean or catty right but it's hard yeah you know it's raw and it's hard but it's not like there's no sort of mean girl clicky energy to it it's just kind of it just is you know I feel like that's what I'm that's what I'm kind of manifesting for myself and like for anyone who
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enjoys you sexually is is just to be like that things just are that it just is right you know and it's the way that it is and it is and we're fine with it and and and we're exploring um we're just exploring like our inner workings you know the the saying the only way out is in like that um
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Okay, good question. Eusexua, it's a word that I don't think exists, at least in the English language. And it is... A feeling of complete presence. I can describe it better in moments of life. So, for example, it's a feeling when you've been out dancing all night at a rave. You just lose yourself. You lose like eight hours to the dance floor.
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You look at your work and you think, oh, wow, it's eight o'clock in the morning. How did that happen? It's because you've been in a state of eusexua. It's also when you've been kissing someone for hours, but not someone that you love, like someone that you've just met.
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You know, like when you kiss a stranger and there's like no expectation and they're just gorgeous and there's no ego, there's no expectation. It's just like you feel like you can kiss them for hours and hours now.
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It's also the moment before an orgasm. Like a moment of complete nothingness. You can't orgasm if you're thinking about things.
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I think I just felt like in my life I was missing it. And then I went and I was living in Prague for a few months. And then I kept on having this feeling. I was going out to these incredible raves and these amazing parties. And I kept on having this feeling of complete presence. And I was like, what is this? But there wasn't a word for it. So I thought I'd make one up.
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Like, is that... No, it's just... It's a word that I made up that I think sounds like the feeling of...
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like human presence and human awareness and loss of ego and you know like humans were so beautiful but I think we forget that you know I forget that we we have such capacity like I feel like there's such untapped potential yeah um especially now you know like we're constantly on our phones we're constantly thinking about things that actually like don't really matter that much um
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But I feel like for me, constantly searching to be in a state of eusexua, it allows me to be present, be happier, make better art.
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Well, traditionally I've always counted when it starts from the first, like the conception of the first song on the record. And I started to conceive the first song on the record when I was 13.
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Well, I was in Big Sur and I was there with a few of my favorite collaborators and producers. And my friends started making up this beat. And for some reason, the song that I wrote, I started writing when I was 13 and I finished it when I was 18. The song just downloaded into my head over the new music.
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I just remembered all the lyrics, all the melodies, and I sang it all in one go. And everyone was like, wow, you're a genius. And I was like, no, I wrote it a long time ago.
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Just the hunt to unravel what it is to be human, I find so exciting. New ideas. But I don't really know what it is I am yet. I feel like I'm still figuring that out. But from when I was a child, I was always just in my own world. Always in my own world. And always trying to create things. I remember one of my earliest memories in the...
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playground was convincing everybody to be in my imaginary orchestra so I was a conductor and then I told everyone what instrument they were playing and then everyone had to play the instrument but silently um but it's just you know just using the imagination I just love it I think it's just such a incredible feeling to be able to create and go beyond the bounds from which like society sets us on us like the boundaries that society sets to be able to use our imaginations to
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I mean, these things are not linear to me. Like, I like to make things a feeling rather than a narrative. But the feeling is about a person or me or you, that you're in a space and you want to break out of it. And so you set this idea in this way, how you're going to infect everybody with this idea that you can break out of something and you can fulfill...
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like your potential you can fulfill your human potential and through that it creates this incredible magical land which is like very grounded and it's kind of about connecting with your body and connecting in this raw human experience and you start to experience it And then everyone around you, they start to experience it as well.